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I thought it'd be interesting to see whether you use the standard 'to' in English rather that the German 'Um.. zu..'.

I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.

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I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.

Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>

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Ikasmu ati'uki nai uraiur.
Hinai nimuśim naimi nai sasamiur urukani. Śi'ama nai huhumiur na ni'amuśim nai sasamiur.
Pumaki nimuśim śima'a na ami nimuśim ara'a. Hini nihrasum i'aku tumra urukani na nihrasum sanik hraspir.

I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.

Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>

Ik ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.

I'm so original ;]

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In Agyonnar I express this with causatives (E.g. "My desire to learn Russian caused me to go there).

I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Ik ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.

Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."

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In Agyonnar I express this with causatives (E.g. "My desire to learn Russian caused me to go there).

I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Ik ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.

Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn

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In Agyonnar I express this with causatives (E.g. "My desire to learn Russian caused me to go there).

I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.

Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian

The particle "id" translates loosely as "done to" or "of". It connects a gerund to its object. So in other words, I went to Russia for the learning of Russian.

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My Kankonian-English dictionary: 36,000 entries and counting

31,416: The number of the conlanging beast!

I can't believe this happened, twice!

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I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.

Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.

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I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.


Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.

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I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.


Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"

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I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」


Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"
Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language

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"Why is it when you tell someone there are 4 billion stars , they believe it. But if you tell them that the paint is still wet, they have to touch it?"
Am I all that I am? Well, I am, that I am.

I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」


Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"
Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language
Wistra Gutisk: Ek fór du Russland ganiman Russisk

I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」
Fui à Rússia aprender russo.

Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"
Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language
Wistra Gutisk: Ek fór du Russland ganiman Russisk

I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Jag begav mig till Ryssland för att lära mig ryska.
/jɑ bɛgɑv mɛj til ryslan fø:rat læra mɛj ryska/ I went me LAT Russia for COMP learn me Russian

Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」
Fui à Rússia aprender russo.

Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"
Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language
Wistra Gutisk: Ek fór du Russland ganiman Russisk

I went to Russia to learn Russian.
Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
Jag begav mig till Ryssland för att lära mig ryska.
/jɑ bɛgɑv mɛj til ryslan fø:rat læra mɛj ryska/ I went me LAT Russia for COMP learn me Russian

Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
Ja pojechałem(am) do Rosji aby nauczyć się języka rosyjskiego.
Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」
Fui à Rússia aprender russo.

Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"
Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language
Wistra Gutisk: Ek fór du Russland ganiman Russisk[/quote]

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I went to Russia to learn Russian.

Zidhgebzhail - Which uses two clauses separated by a subordinator in the benefactive case for this construction.

vy Rrous[keb]eshjeim gIn hong Rrous[keb]zhailef Oagdien.
I went to Rus-folk-land for the purposes of learn[ing] Rus-folk-speech.



Note that if 'keb' were omitted from 'Russia', consonant mutation would result in 'Rroushshail' (with a geminated <ʃ>).

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Zidhgebzhail Orthography

In English also the "benefactive preposition + infinitive" is used for a "purpose 'clause'"; "they (i.e. the Cockroaches) bought marihuana for to smoke", etc. It's poetic and/or old-fashioned now, I think, in English, or at least in the 'lects I know.

I could be wrong, but I think it could be fairly common in natlangs to use the benefactivized infinitive for the purpose clauses or purpose predicates (or purpose verb-phrases or whatever).

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Navajo
Biʼééʼ łichííʼí bizaad bóhooshʼaahígíí biniiyé Biʼééʼ łichííʼí bikéyahgóó iishááh ńtʼę́ę́ʼ.
3S.POSS.clothes red-NOMZ 3S.POSS.word 1S.learn.IMPERF-NOMZ 3S.for.the.purpose.of 3S.POSS.clothes red-NOMZ 3S.POSS.land-towards 1S.go.out.of.sight.IMP happen.PERF

Navajo has an individual postposition for this purpose.

Okinawan

【我んねーロシア口勉強するぐとぅ、ロシアんかい行ちゃびたん。】
わんねーロシアぐちびんちょーするぐとぅ、ロシアんかいいちゃびたん。
Wannee roshia-guchi binchoo suru gutu sshi, roshia-nkai ichabitan.

wann=ee roshia-guchi binchoo su-ru gutu roshia-nkai ich-abi-ta-n
1=TOP russia-language study do.AUX-ATTR purpose.NOM russia-LOC go-POL-PST-PRED

"I went to Russia in order to learn Russian."