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PostPosted: Tue 08 May 2012, 22:03 
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I want to sleep.

I want to eat that cake.

I want a cupcake.

I want you to go to the grocery store and by me some milk.

I want to see you smile


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Xe mixa (a mai) (tiga) mota.
PRS want (ERG 1s) (INF) sleep.
[ʔe̞ ˈmiːʔa aː mai̯ tiŋa ˈmo̞ːta]

Xe mixa (a mai) (tiga) matte taima kura.
PRS want (ERG 1s) eat DEM cake
[ʔe̞ ˈmiːʔa aː mai̯ tiŋa ˈmatːe ˈtai̯ma ˈkʊːha]

Xe mixa (a mai) ta kupukeiku.
PRS want (ERG 1s) DEF cupcake
[ʔe̞ ˈmiːʔa aː mai̯ taˑ kʊpəˈke̞i̯k]

Xe mixa (a mai) (tiga) laka no mo ta polo tegu watti tie mmuri.
PRS want (ERG 1s) (INF) walk 2s ALL DEF shop PURP buy some milk
[ʔe̞ ˈmiːʔa aː mai̯ tiŋa ˈlaːka no̞ː mo̞ː taˑ ˈpo̞ːlo̞ teːŋ ˈβˠɑtːi tiˑe ˈmːʊhi]

Xe mixa (a mai) (tiga) kipe puina no.
PRS want (ERG 1s) (INF) see smile 2s
[ʔe̞ ˈmiːʔa aː mai̯ tiŋa ˈkiːpe̞ ˈpʊi̞na no̞ː]

The infinitive marker (tiga) is optional in this context; it's found mostly in formal language.
The subject phrase (a mai, 'by me') may also be left out.

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 08 May 2012, 22:34 
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Я хочу спать.
я хоть-у спа-ть
1s want.IMPERF-1s sleep-INF

Я хочу съесть этот торт.
я хоть-у с-ес-ть этот торт-Ø
1s want.IMPERF-1s PERF-eat-INF that cake-MASC.ACC

Я хочу капкейк.

я хоть-у капкейк-Ø
1s want.IMPERF-1s cupcake-MASC.ACC

Я хочу, чтобы ты пошел в продуктовый (магазин) и купил мне молока.

я хоть-у чтобы ты по-ше-л-Ø в продукт-овый (магазин-Ø) и купи-л-Ø мне молок-а
1s want.IMPERF-1s so.that 2s PERF-go-PT-MASC to grocery-ADJ.MASC.ACC (store-MASC.ACC) and buy.PERF-PT-MASC 1s.DAT milk-NEUT.GEN

Я хочу увидеть твою улыбку.
я хоть-у у-виде-ть твой-у улыбк-у
1s want.IMPERF-1s PERF-see-INF 2s.POSS-FEM.ACC smile-FEM.ACC

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 08 May 2012, 22:45 
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我想睡。
wo3 xiang3 shui4
1 think sleep

我想吃那塊蛋糕。
wo3 xiang3 chi1 na4ge dan4gao1
1 think eat that-COUNTER cake

我要一個紙杯蛋糕。
wo3 yao4 yi2ge zhi3bei1dan4gao1
1 want one-COUNTER paper-cup-cake

我要你去超市買些牛奶給我。
wo3 yao4 ni3 qu4 chao1shi4 mai3 xie1 niu2nai3 gei3 wo3
1 want 2 go supermarket buy some cow-milk give 1

我想看到你笑。
wo3 xiang3 kan4dao4 ni3 xiao4
1 think see-arrive 2 smile

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 18:28 
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:con: Pazmat:

"Szuir."
[Szu-i-ar]
[sleep-1.SG-DESI]

"Acj Scrl uir."
[acj scrl u-i-ar]
[DEM cake eat-1.SG-DESI]

"Scrlbac seur."
[scrl-bac se-u-r]
[cake-DIMUN have-1.SG-DESI]
(lit. "I want to have a mini-cake")

"Seir nan Tef Cjcarēm ebagj n Wun Utiba slanc qofe."
[se-i-ar nan tef cjcar-ēm e-bagj n wun utib-a slanc qo-fe]
[have-1.SG-DESI REL 2.SG.ERG store-LOC go-PRTICPL and 1.SG-DAT milk-GEN quantity buy-2.SG]

"Thiir nan Tef ylofe."
[thi-i-ar nan tef ylo-fe]
[see-1.SG-DESI REL 2.SG-ERG smile-2.SG]

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 18:52 
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What are Pazmat's lexical items for concepts like 'want'?

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 19:04 
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"Arwen" would be the closest thing to "want/wanting" as a noun.

Another word could be "Fercig", but that's more like "lust (for)", though it literally means "a tendency for over-excessive sexual actions"

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 19:18 
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Chagen wrote:
"Arwen" would be the closest thing to "want/wanting" as a noun.

Another word could be "Fercig", but that's more like "lust (for)", though it literally means "a tendency for over-excessive sexual actions"


What about verbs? How would you paraphrase the above sentences without desiderative constructions?

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 19:24 
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You can't.

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 19:32 
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Chagen wrote:
You can't.


So, you have no lexical items corresponding to English 'to want'.

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 19:48 
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Yes. Unless you want to count "Fecigja" ("to lust for") or "Szozsya" ("to desire").

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 19:55 
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One alternative that I find quite plausible is to have the desiderative affix as a cognate to the word for 'want' - the former could have originated as a reduced form of the latter.

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 20:00 
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That's actually what happened: an old verb for "to want" was "arciya", and eventually that wore down to be a desiderdative marker for verbs in general.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 22:02 
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1. I want to sleep.
Somèr norí
somèr nor-í-ø
sleep want.PRS-1SG

2. I want to eat that cake.
Tairth aich thoní norí
tairth aich thon-í nor-í-ø
cake that eat.INF want.PRS-1SG

3. I want a cupcake.
Ainh go ailthtairthot norí
ainh go ailth-tairth.ot nor-í-ø
one of elf-cake.FPL want.PRS-1SG

4. I want you to go to the grocery store and buy me some milk.
Ðo anðús lo g-caiscerín, dero go leroth cailsús.
ðo anð-ú-s lo caiscerín dero go leroth cails-ú-s
that go.SBJV-2SG to shop for of milk buy.SBJV-2SG

5. I want to see you smile
Ðo leironús cêim mair!
ðo leiron-ú-s cé-mé mair
that smile.SBJV-2SG with-me but

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 23:06 
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寝たい。
ne-tai
sleep-VOL.NPST


そのケーキを食べたい。
sono kēki=o tabe-tai
that cake=OBJ eat-VOL.NPST


コップケーキがほしい。
koppukēki=ga hoshii
cupcake=SUBJ want.NPST


市場に行ってミルクを買ってくれてほしい。
ichiba=ni itte miruku=o katte kurete hoshii
market=LOC go.GER milk=OBJ buy.GER give.GER want.NPST


あなたの笑顔が見たい。
anata=no e-gao=ga mi-tai
2=GEN smile-face=SUBJ see-VOL.NPST

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012, 02:09 
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Je veux dormir.
I want.1S sleep.INF
[ʒə vø dɔʁ.miʁ]
[ʒvø dɔʁ.mɪʁ] :qbc:

Je veux manger ce gâteau(-là).
I want.1S eat.ING that cake (there)
[ʒə vø mɑ̃.ʒe sə ga.to (la)]
[ʒvø mã.ʒe zgɑʊ̯.to (lɑ)] :qbc:

Je veux un cupcake.
I want.1S a.MASC cupcake
[ʒə vø æ̃ kɔp.kɛk]
[ʒvø œ̃ʏ̃ kʌp.keɪk] :qbc:

Je veux que tu ailles à l'épicerie m'acheter du lait.
I want.1S that you go.SUBJ.2S to the grocery.store me buy.INF PART.ART.MASC milk
[ʒə vø kə ty aj a le.pi.sə.ʁi ma.ʃə.te dy lɛ]
[ʒvøk tsy aj a le.pi.sə.ʁi ma.ʃte dzy lɛ] :qbc:

Je veux te voir sourire.
I want.1S thee see smile.INF
[ʒə vø tə vwaʁ su.ʁiʁ]
[ʒvøt vwɑu̯ʁ su.ʁɪʁ] :qbc:

Note: First IPA is for general pronunciation from France, while the second is the Quebecker one.


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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Thu 17 May 2012, 06:11 
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1. I want to sleep.
Eh tsemo kanami.
I want to sleep.

2. I want to eat that cake.
Ja jinaš eh tsemo hi.
That flour-cake I want to eat.

3. I want a cupcake.
Eh tsemo peima am jinašo.
I want one biscuit.

4. I want you to go to the grocery store and buy me some milk.
Eyuh tsemo ih tsweyiko lemařa šapotso, wa ni mene tsok řekaš.
I want you to go to the shop of food, and I order you that, for me, to buy milk.
Purple text represents a non imperative tone, though the translation is imperative.

5. I want to see you smile
Eyuh tsemo ha ih jomya.
I want to see you to smile.

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Fri 18 May 2012, 00:16 
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At this point, Zidhgebzhail doesn't have a verb 'to want'. It is instead found only as a modal suffix to a verb, taking the form of 'will/would' in the optative mood. In a verbless clause, the dummy verb can be used (see examples 3 and 4, below).

:con: Zidhgebzhail - Altering a few words.

1 - I want to eat.
vy Entaneitsh
v-y Ø-Enta-n-ei-tsh
1-ABS.SG.M PRS-eat-SIMPLE-OPT-INTENT

2 - I want to eat yonder food.
vil nentwukhef Entaneitsh
v-il nent-wukh-ef Ø-Enta-n-ei-tsh
1-ERG.SG.M food-DSL-ACC.SG.M PRS-eat-SIMPLE-OPT-INTENT

3 - I want food.
vil nentef hyneitsh
v-il nent-ef hyn-ei-tsh
1-ERG.SG.M cupcake-ACC.SG.M dummy.verb-OPT-INTENT

4 - I want you to go to the shop to by me some food.
vy hyneitsh dy limzjeim In hong vong nentef Imzaen
v-y hyn-ei-tsh d-y limz-jeim I-n h-ong v-ong nent-ef Ø-Imzae-n
1-ABS.SG.M dummy.verb-OPT-INTENT 2-ABS.SG.M shop-LAT.SG.M PRS-go-SIMPLE REL-CAUSAL 1-BENEFACTIVE.SG.M food-ACC.SG.M PRS-buy-SIMPLE

5 - I want to see you eat.
vy Aineitsh dy Entan
v-y Ø-Ai-n-ei-tsh d-y Ø-Enta-n
1-ABS.SG.M PRS-see-SIMPLE-OPT-INTENT 2-ABS.SG.M PRS-eat-SIMPLE

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 Post subject: Re: I want...
PostPosted: Sat 19 May 2012, 18:50 
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Yay, a five-for-one translation challenge. Telemor is fairly straightforward in having only a single verb for "to want", the irregular volare; thus, the same verb is used for all of these.

1.) I want to sleep.
Veugle dormère.
[ˈvʊ.glɛ ˈdoɾ.mə.ɾɛ]
want.1.PRS sleep.INF

2.) I want to eat that cake.
Veugle se gatao-çi tabemare.
[ˈvʊ.glɛ sɛ ˈga.tɔ t͡ʃi ta.beˈma.ɾɛ]
want.1.PRS DEF.M cake-that eat.INF

3.) I want a cupcake.
Veugle une minutio gatao.
[ˈvʊ.glɛ ˈu.nɛ miˈnu.tʲo ˈga.tɔ]
want.1.PRS one.M small.M cake

4.) I want you to go to the grocery store and [buy] me some milk.
Veugle çe alai èt s'episera și çe açatai della lèç per me.
[ˈvʊ.glɛ t͡ʃɛ ˈa.laj ət se.piˈse.ɾɐ ʃi t͡ʃɛ aˈt͡ʃa.taj ˈdel.lɐ lət͡ʃ per mɛ]
want.1.PRS that go.2.PRS.SBJV to DEF-store and that buy.2.PRS.SBJV PART.F milk for me

5.) I want to see you smile.
Veugle tièir sourigu vare.
[ˈvʊ.glɛ tʲəjr soˈɾi.gu ˈva.ɾɛ]
want.1.PRS 2.GEN.M smile see.INF

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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 12:37 
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Alkununn.

al<>k-UnUn-j
I want to sleep.
sleep-DES-1P
"sleep-want-I"

[ˈal̥kʊ̯̃nʊ̃ŋ] (listen [MOV])

Hjæwímadaus uwnump.
hjæ-í<>m-at<>áw-ˤh-z ú<>w-UnUn-ʷf-j
I want to eat that cake.
DEM-be_sweet-bake-3P.INANIM consume-DES-TRANS-1P
"This-sweet-baked-is consume-want-I-it."

[ˈçæʊ̯wˌiːmaðaʊ̯s̻ ˈʊwnʊ̃m̥p] (listen [MOV])

Ímadónnjaus jounyf.
í<>m-at<Ónnj>áw-ˤh-z jó<>wn-ʷf-j
I want a cupcake.
be_sweet-bake<DIM>-3P.INANIM want-TRANS-1PS
"This-little-sweet-baked-is want-I-it."

[ˈiːmaðɔːŋːaʊ̯ɕːˈɔʊ̯nœʊ̯ɸ] (listen [MOV])

Vahlah almamawi jounnj, dinnsaq dúmnuhmaljiló.
va<>hl-ˤh al<>m-m-Awi jó<>wn-j di<>nn-ˤh-z-Aq dú<>mn-ʷf-m-Alji-ló
I want you to go to the grocery store and buy me some milk.
sell-3P.ANIM go-2P-OBJ.3PS want-1P suckle/milk-3P.INANIM-REL buy-TRANS-2P-RES
"He-sells go-you[-to]-him want-I, that-which-is-milk buy-you-it(-for)-me-thus."

[ˈvahl̥ɑɧ ˈalmɑmaʊ̯wɯ jœʊ̯ŋː ˈθʊŋs̻ɑq ˈθʊ̃ːm͡nʊ̃hpm̥ɑljɯlɔː] (listen [MOV])

Lauzzm jœuwnump.
lá<z>ww-m já(h)<>w-UnUn-ʷf-j
I want to see you[r] smile.
laugh/smile<SUBJ>-2P see-DES-TRANS-1P
"Smile-you see-want-I-it."

[ˈlaʊ̯ʑm ˈjœʊ̯wnʊ̃m̥p] (listen [MOV])

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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2012, 19:39 
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I want to sleep.
(Nea) flda ouref neat.
['nɐ 'fl.da 'ʊɾ.əf 'nɐt]
1p.ANIM bed sleep want.SUBJ.ANIM.OBJ.INAN

I want to eat that cake.
(Nea) kiemror amnam neat.
['nɐ 'kɪɛ.mɾɔɾ 'ɑm.nɑm 'nɐt]
/'nɐ 'kɪe.mɾɔɾ 'ɑm.nɑm 'nɐt/
(1p.ANIM) cake eat want.SUBJ.ANIM.OBJ.INAN

I want a cupcake.
Nea kiekiemror neat.
['nɐ 'kɪɛ.kɪɛ.mɾɔɾ 'nɐt]
/'nɐ 'kɪe.kɪe.mɾɔɾ 'nɐt/
1p. DIM-cake want.SUBJ.ANIM.OBJ.INAN

Note for the next one: I'm not sure how SOV languages typically handle something like this, any help would be much appreciated.

I want you to go to the grocery store and by me some milk.
Ge liya taeghitte apay keccu meu
['gə 'li.ja 'te.ɦi.tːə=ap.aj 'kə.tsːu 'mʌ]
/'gə 'li.ja 'tɛ.ɦi.tːə=ap.aj 'kə.tsːu 'mʌ/
2p. milk buy-SUBJ.ANIM.OBJ.INAN IMP market DAT

I want to see you smile
Nea milegh huen ge houru neat.
['nɐ 'mi.leɦ 'ʔuən 'gə 'ʔʊ.ɾʊ 'nɐt]
/'nɐ 'mi.leɦ 'ʔuən 'gə 'ʔʊ.ɾʊ 'nɐt/
1p. smile GEN=2p. smile want.SUBJ.ANIM.OBJ.INAN

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