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There are presidents, and then there are dictators.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'

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There are presidents, and then there are dictators.
Der er præsidenter, og så er der diktatorer.
Es gibt Presidenten, und dann gibt es Diktatoren.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'

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There are presidents, and then there are dictators.
Der er præsidenter, og så er der diktatorer.
Es gibt Presidenten, und dann gibt es Diktatoren.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'
Agyonnar: Rimare zen, dai veotori zen tyio. (theft is but murder is also) [ɹi.ˈmɑ.ˌɹe.zen.dai.ve.ˈjɔ.to.ˌɹi.zen.ci.ˈjo]

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[quote="Micamo"]:eng: There are presidents, and then there are dictators.
Der er præsidenter, og så er der diktatorer.
Es gibt Presidenten, und dann gibt es Diktatoren.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'
Agyonnar: Rimare zen, dai veotori zen tyio. (theft is but murder is also) [ɹi.ˈmɑ.ˌɹe.zen.dai.ve.ˈjɔ.to.ˌɹi.zen.ci.ˈjo]
Inyauk: kíyirat wa íraatxaatat
/'kijiɾ wa 'iɾa:ʧa:tat/
leader-Possessed and king-Possessed

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There are presidents, and then there are dictators.
Der er præsidenter, og så er der diktatorer.
Es gibt Presidenten, und dann gibt es Diktatoren.

Ci sono dei presidenti, e poi ci sono dei dittatori.
Il y a des presidents, ensuite? il y a des dictateurs.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'
Agyonnar: Rimare zen, dai veotori zen tyio. (theft is but murder is also) [ɹi.ˈmɑ.ˌɹe.zen.dai.ve.ˈjɔ.to.ˌɹi.zen.ci.ˈjo]
Inyauk: kíyirat wa íraatxaatat
/'kijiɾ wa 'iɾa:ʧa:tat/
leader-Possessed and king-Possessed

There are presidents, and then there are dictators.
Der er præsidenter, og så er der diktatorer.
Es gibt Presidenten, und dann gibt es Diktatoren.

Ci sono dei presidenti, e poi ci sono dei dittatori.
Il y a des presidents, ensuite? il y a des dictateurs.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'
Agyonnar: Rimare zen, dai veotori zen tyio. (theft is but murder is also) [ɹi.ˈmɑ.ˌɹe.zen.dai.ve.ˈjɔ.to.ˌɹi.zen.ci.ˈjo]
Inyauk: kíyirat wa íraatxaatat
/'kijiɾ wa 'iɾa:ʧa:tat/
leader-Possessed and king-Possessed
Staalouvan- Preidooniit ut daktascassii tuu toirmoo denn tuu.
Presidents and dictators two there more then two

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Oh, by the way, the german word is Präsidenten, not Presidenten!

There are presidents, and then there are dictators.
Der er præsidenter, og så er der diktatorer.
Es gibt Presidenten, und dann gibt es Diktatoren.

Ci sono dei presidenti, e poi ci sono dei dittatori.
Il y a des presidents, ensuite? il y a des dictateurs.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'
Agyonnar: Rimare zen, dai veotori zen tyio. (theft is but murder is also) [ɹi.ˈmɑ.ˌɹe.zen.dai.ve.ˈjɔ.to.ˌɹi.zen.ci.ˈjo]
Inyauk: kíyirat wa íraatxaatat
/'kijiɾ wa 'iɾa:ʧa:tat/
leader-Possessed and king-Possessed
Staalouvan- Preidooniit ut daktascassii tuu toirmoo denn tuu.
Presidents and dictators two there more then two
Alpic: Op prezidentat, hallju op diktatorat
(be-IMPERSONAL president-PL and.then be-IMPERSONAL dicator-PL)

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I was surprised that most languages phrase this idiom the same way English does.

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Honestly what did you expect? I can't think of any more creative grammatical constructions that would pull it off.

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Feel free to edit any mistakes, so that they go in the list of translations.

There are presidents, and then there are dictators.
Der er præsidenter, og så er der diktatorer.
Es gibt Präsidenten, und dann gibt es Diktatoren.

Ci sono dei presidenti, e poi ci sono dei dittatori.
Il y a des presidents, ensuite? il y a des dictateurs.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'
Agyonnar: Rimare zen, dai veotori zen tyio. (theft is but murder is also) [ɹi.ˈmɑ.ˌɹe.zen.dai.ve.ˈjɔ.to.ˌɹi.zen.ci.ˈjo]
Inyauk: kíyirat wa íraatxaatat
/'kijiɾ wa 'iɾa:ʧa:tat/
leader-Possessed and king-Possessed
Staalouvan- Preidooniit ut daktascassii tuu toirmoo denn tuu.
Presidents and dictators two there more then two
Alpic: Op prezidentat, hallju op diktatorat
(be-IMPERSONAL president-PL and.then be-IMPERSONAL dicator-PL)

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There are presidents, and then there are dictators.
Der er præsidenter, og så er der diktatorer.
Es gibt Präsidenten, und dann gibt es Diktatoren.

Ci sono dei presidenti, e poi ci sono dei dittatori.
Il y a des presidents, ensuite? il y a des dictateurs.
Están los presidentes, después están los dictadores.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'
Agyonnar: Rimare zen, dai veotori zen tyio. (theft is but murder is also) [ɹi.ˈmɑ.ˌɹe.zen.dai.ve.ˈjɔ.to.ˌɹi.zen.ci.ˈjo]
Inyauk: kíyirat wa íraatxaatat
/'kijiɾ wa 'iɾa:ʧa:tat/
leader-Possessed and king-Possessed
Staalouvan- Preidooniit ut daktascassii tuu toirmoo denn tuu.
Presidents and dictators two there more then two
Alpic: Op prezidentat, hallju op diktatorat
(be-IMPERSONAL president-PL and.then be-IMPERSONAL dicator-PL)[/quote]

There are presidents, and then there are dictators.
Der er præsidenter, og så er der diktatorer.
Es gibt Präsidenten, und dann gibt es Diktatoren.

Ci sono dei presidenti, e poi ci sono dei dittatori.
Il y a des presidents, ensuite? il y a des dictateurs.
Están los presidentes, después están los dictadores.

Kankonian: Fa as donames, am fa as shohazires.
some are president+PLURAL but some are dictator+PLURAL
'Some are presidents, but some are dictators.'
Agyonnar: Rimare zen, dai veotori zen tyio. (theft is but murder is also) [ɹi.ˈmɑ.ˌɹe.zen.dai.ve.ˈjɔ.to.ˌɹi.zen.ci.ˈjo]
Inyauk: kíyirat wa íraatxaatat
/'kijiɾ wa 'iɾa:ʧa:tat/
leader-Possessed and king-Possessed
Staalouvan- Preidooniit ut daktascassii tuu toirmoo denn tuu.
Presidents and dictators two there more then two
Alpic: Op prezidentat, hallju op diktatorat
(be-IMPERSONAL president-PL and.then be-IMPERSONAL dicator-PL)
'ohaa: Fa kfiik ii gikfee, fa kfiik oo ek ii gi'iix.
VERB.PARTICLE existence NOM.PARTICLE person-listen, VERB.PARTICLE existence MODIFIER.PARTICLE also NOM.PARTICLE person-talk

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It's a bit bold to say this based on 4 languages, all Germanic and Romance.

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No, what really struck me was the way people sharing their conlangs expressed the idiom the same way. Most of the people here are good enough conlangers that they wouldn't relex idioms from their native language to their conlang (taking their word for "by", their definite article, and their word for "way, path" as the prepositional obiect of "by" to translate "by the way", for example). Yet even for those conlangers who usually find a different way to put an idiom, they used the existential structure to translate the English "there are X, and then there are Y" idiom. I was expecting to find all sorts of creative ways to do this.

A question: Does anyone do it differently when the X and the Y are different and when the X and the Y are the same? Using one structure to translate "There are Christians, and then there are saints" and another to translate "There are idiots, and then there are idiots"?

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Well, the first structure just sorta-kinda contrasts two things, while the second one isn't really a comparison at all. "There are Christians, and then there are saints" means "Christians and saints are different (but how they're different is something I'd rather imply than actually say)", while "There are idiots, and then there are idiots" (with extra stress on the second "idiots") means more like "Some people are just too stupid to exist!" Really presenting these kinds of things are more an artifact of English cultural norms (specifically how it is considered more polite to be indirect) than it is anything interesting about the construction itself. Unless the culture behind the language involved has similar preferences for indirectness there's really no way to translate the expression.

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Eil: nagferei â narnagferei ann.
(or something like that. Eil is still developing :) )

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Tegaa mane, poi tegaa gara.
exist president also exist dictator

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How clearly this is an idiom?
I don't know that in Finnish.

Of course it can be translated directly.
On presidenttejä ja sitten on vielä ditaattoreita.
on presidentti-j-ä ja sitten on veilä diktaattori-i-ta
is president-PL-PRT and then is still dictator-PL-PART

We have a saying.
Valta turmelee, ja ehdoton valta ehdottomasti.
lit. 'Power damages and the absolute power [does it] absolutely.

Is that too far?

Piggybacking on what Micamo said,

if this is an idiom we're trying to translate, it's not going to obtain.
Most folks are decoding word for word, but are they getting at the implied meaning.

I think Micamo's post gets closer to what's at stake. It also reminds me of what my old friend's mom, Mrs. Shapiro, used to say when she saw someone do something
stupid on tv -

There's goyim, and then there's goyim.

When I was in Peru, the Peruvians I knew would have been more explicit, especially if they weren't in favor of Fujimori or Alan Garcia. They wouldn't have implied it, they would've said something like-

Hay presidentes, pero hay presidentes que no valen ¡ni un c*r*jo!

¡Importa el contexto y el subtexto!