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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Fri 19 Nov 2010, 03:50 
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:eng: I went to Russia to learn Russian.
:deu: Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
:nld: Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
:esp: Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
:fra: Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
:rus: Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
:tur: Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
:jpn: 俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」


:con: Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
:con: Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
:con: Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
:con: Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
:con: Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
:con: goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"

:con: Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language

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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Fri 19 Nov 2010, 13:24 
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:eng: I went to Russia to learn Russian.
:deu: Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
:nld: Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
:esp: Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
:fra: Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
:rus: Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
:tur: Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
:jpn: 俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」


:con: Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
:con: Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
:con: Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
:con: Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
:con: Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
:con: goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"

:con: Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language
:con: Wistra Gutisk: Ek fór du Russland ganiman Russisk


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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Sat 20 Nov 2010, 19:09 
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:eng: I went to Russia to learn Russian.
:deu: Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
:nld: Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
:esp: Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
:fra: Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
:rus: Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
:tur: Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
:jpn: 俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」
:por: Fui à Rússia aprender russo.

:con: Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
:con: Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
:con: Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
:con: Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
:con: Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
:con: goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"

:con: Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language
:con: Wistra Gutisk: Ek fór du Russland ganiman Russisk


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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Wed 24 Nov 2010, 19:33 
sinic
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:eng: I went to Russia to learn Russian.
:deu: Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
:nld: Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
:swe: Jag begav mig till Ryssland för att lära mig ryska.
/jɑ bɛgɑv mɛj til ryslan fø:rat læra mɛj ryska/ I went me LAT Russia for COMP learn me Russian


:esp: Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
:fra: Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
:rus: Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
:tur: Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
:jpn: 俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」
:por: Fui à Rússia aprender russo.

:con: Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
:con: Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
:con: Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
:con: Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
:con: Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
:con: goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"

:con: Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language
:con: Wistra Gutisk: Ek fór du Russland ganiman Russisk


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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Wed 24 Nov 2010, 20:44 
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:eng: I went to Russia to learn Russian.
:deu: Ich bin nach Russland gegangen um Russisch zu lernen.
:nld: Xk ben naar Rusland gegaan om Russisch te leren.
:swe: Jag begav mig till Ryssland för att lära mig ryska.
/jɑ bɛgɑv mɛj til ryslan fø:rat læra mɛj ryska/ I went me LAT Russia for COMP learn me Russian

:esp: Fuí a Rusia para aprender el ruso.
:fra: Je suis allé à la Russie pour que je puisse apprendre le russe.
:pol: Ja pojechałem(am) do Rosji aby nauczyć się języka rosyjskiego.
:rus: Я поехал(а) в Россию, чтобы выучить русский язык.
:tur: Ben Rusça öğrenmek Rusya'ya gidiyordum.
:jpn: 俺はロシア語を習ってロシアに行った。「Ore wa roshia-go wo naratte roshia ni itta」
:por: Fui à Rússia aprender russo.

:con: Inyauk: txím ápatalana rúsaikat ir kúmatxrusaiahi.
/'ʧi-im 'apat-al-ana 'rusa-ikat ir 'kumaʧrusai-axi ax/
1sg -AGT go-PST-CNT russia-DESTINATION <RC russia.speak-RESULT RC>
:con: Agyonnar: Dzo Russia yoso Russian yadhar me zin. (1 Russia go Russian understand OPT CAUS) Lit. "I went to Russia because I hoped to learn Russian."
:con: Kaynur Pitak: Rusa-kay tey-kas, Rusa Pitak-na cuney.
Russia-ILL travel-CAUS Russia Language-ACC learn
:con: Kankonian: I uhwen ad Rosha ad esmiya id Roshik.
I go+PAST to Russia to learn done_to Russian
:con: Changshuo: Zhīsuoni waega zailhai hada, at zhīshuonŭ dŭrusi wenji da.
/dz`i:sM\7ni M\AEgA dzAikAi hAdA At dz`i:s`M\on}_c d}_c4Msi M\Endz\i dA/ That_place-LOC 1ps-ERG go PAST-INDICATIVE conjunction that_language-ACC learn reason INDICATIVE
Changshuo lacks a term for Russia, as well as all other Earth lands.
:con: goshpeshyshta: hwath kue ko pwthsi khusia ga hikodhen ko goshp besh pa
PST COP 1 torward Russia REL learn 1 language DET REL
roughly "I went to Russian that I learn the language"

:con: Lantasi: Vadia Rusiax e discure Rusiangúa
Go.past-1st.sg Russia.dat to learn Russian-Language
:con: Wistra Gutisk: Ek fór du Russland ganiman Russisk[/quote]

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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012, 12:19 
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:eng: I went to Russia to learn Russian.

:con: Zidhgebzhail - Which uses two clauses separated by a subordinator in the benefactive case for this construction.

vy Rrous[keb]eshjeim gIn hong Rrous[keb]zhailef Oagdien.

I went to Rus-folk-land for the purposes of learn[ing] Rus-folk-speech.

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v-y Rrous-[keb]-esh-jeim g-I-n h-ong Rrous-[keb]-zhail-ef Ø-Oagdie-n.
1-ABS.SG.M Rus-[folk]-land-LATIVE PST-go-SIMPLE SUBORDINATOR-BENEFACTIVE Rus-[folk]-speech-ACC.SG.M PRS-learn-SIMPLE


Note that if 'keb' were omitted from 'Russia', consonant mutation would result in 'Rroushshail' (with a geminated <ʃ>).

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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:36 
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DanH34 wrote:
Zidhgebzhail ... uses two clauses separated by a subordinator in the benefactive case for this construction. ...

In English also the "benefactive preposition + infinitive" is used for a "purpose 'clause'"; "they (i.e. the Cockroaches) bought marihuana for to smoke", etc. It's poetic and/or old-fashioned now, I think, in English, or at least in the 'lects I know.

I could be wrong, but I think it could be fairly common in natlangs to use the benefactivized infinitive for the purpose clauses or purpose predicates (or purpose verb-phrases or whatever).

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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 00:37 
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:nav: Navajo
Biʼééʼ łichííʼí bizaad bóhooshʼaahígíí biniiyé Biʼééʼ łichííʼí bikéyahgóó iishááh ńtʼę́ę́ʼ.
3S.POSS.clothes red-NOMZ 3S.POSS.word 1S.learn.IMPERF-NOMZ 3S.for.the.purpose.of 3S.POSS.clothes red-NOMZ 3S.POSS.land-towards 1S.go.out.of.sight.IMP happen.PERF

Navajo has an individual postposition for this purpose.


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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 04:02 
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【我んねーロシア口勉強するぐとぅ、ロシアんかい行ちゃびたん。】
わんねーロシアぐちびんちょーするぐとぅ、ロシアんかいいちゃびたん。
Wannee roshia-guchi binchoo suru gutu sshi, roshia-nkai ichabitan.

wann=ee roshia-guchi binchoo su-ru gutu roshia-nkai ich-abi-ta-n
1=TOP russia-language study do.AUX-ATTR purpose.NOM russia-LOC go-POL-PST-PRED


"I went to Russia in order to learn Russian."


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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 22:18 
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Je suis allé en Russie pour apprendre le russe.
I have gone in(feminine one for countries) Russia for learn.INFINITIVE the russian


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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Wed 23 May 2012, 20:22 
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:con: Pazmat:

Ezji Ruszaīdh, Ruszamat qogbagj.
[eʑi ɻuʂæaɪð ɻuʂæmæt qogbadʐ]
[e-zj-i ruza-īdh, ruza-mat qog-bagj]
[go-PST-1.SG russia-LOC, russia-LANG learn-2.SG.PTCPL]

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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Wed 23 May 2012, 21:00 
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An attempt in Mîzmiz. The verb is under development though.

Et Vnarus ggôl hétkḷa a Mazrus iegg-g-on.
[ɛt vnʌrus ɠɒl xæ˩˥tklʌ ʌ mʌθrus jɛɠɣɔn]
et Vn<a>-rus ggôl hétkḷ-a a m<a>z-rus iegg-g-on.
to CL:country<that>-russia PREP:cause lern-VERBNM of CL:language<DEF>-russia go-SG1-SUFF


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 Post subject: Re: in order to
PostPosted: Wed 23 May 2012, 21:03 
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Current draft of :con: Vanga:

Malandjós allmajjawi malansaq jœydduffæljiló.

mala<>nd-jó<>(h)-ˤh-z a<l>lm-ˤh-j-Awi mala<>nd-ˤh-z-Aq jœy<>(h)-(y)dd-f-j-Alji-ló
Kozea-live-3P.INANIM go<PAST>-1P-OBJ.3PS Kozea-3P.INANIM-REL see-CAUS-TRANS-1P-OBJ.1PS-DECL

I went to "the Kozea nation" to learn Kozea.
"Kozea-land-is go-did-I(-to)-it Kozea-is-which know-make-I-it(-to)-me-thus."
[ˈmawɑŋːɔːs̻ ˈal̥ːm̥ɑjːaʊ̯wɯ ˈmawɑn̥t͡s̻ɑq ˈjœʏ̯ðːʊ̤ɸːæljɯwɔː]

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