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spanick wrote: 21 Jun 2018 20:20 Is the inflectional ending on the first root from the dative singular of either a PG O or U stem?

Does š derived from PG *sk?
No to both.
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Does klaibs derive from PG *hlaibaz?
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spanick wrote: 21 Jun 2018 23:16 Does klaibs derive from PG *hlaibaz?
It does.
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Is the first root also a noun?
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spanick wrote: 22 Jun 2018 01:26 Is the first root also a noun?
Yes, it is.
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Does šaismý descend from Proto-Germanic?

If so, did it start with *s?
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spanick wrote: 22 Jun 2018 01:48 Does šaismý descend from Proto-Germanic?
It does. It wouldn't really be fair in this game otherwise, right?
spanick wrote: 22 Jun 2018 01:48 If so, did it start with *s?
No, it didn't.
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shimobaatar wrote: 22 Jun 2018 00:02
spanick wrote: 21 Jun 2018 23:16 Does klaibs derive from PG *hlaibaz?
It does.
Is the thing in question actually some kind of bread, or just bread-like?
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Is the first root derived from *þaismô? If so, does the word mean leavened bread?
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spanick wrote: 22 Jun 2018 03:04 Is the first root derived from *þaismô? If so, does the word mean leavened bread?
Ninja'd while i was still in /t/ of Wiktionary's Category: Proto-Germanic Nouns

I second Spanick's suggestion, and I am unanimous in that.

As an aside. for whomever who speaks/spake this language, *klaib means 'unleavened bread'???
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Lambuzhao wrote: 22 Jun 2018 02:58 Is the thing in question actually some kind of bread, or just bread-like?
It's a type of bread. In fact:
spanick wrote: 22 Jun 2018 03:04 Is the first root derived from *þaismô? If so, does the word mean leavened bread?
Spot on! Your turn.
Lambuzhao wrote: 22 Jun 2018 03:19 As an aside. for whomever who speaks/spake this language, *klaib means 'unleavened bread'???
What gave you that impression? No, klaibs is a pretty close equivalent to the English word "bread", at least in my experience. In other words, it can refer to leavened or unleavened bread, but the default assumption is usually that it refers to leavened bread. However, speakers can still specify that the bread is leavened if need be with the term šaismýklaibs, just like how English speakers can specify by saying "leavened bread", even though most speakers tend to assume that "bread" is leavened by default.
Edit: flætjklaibs /ˈflæt͡ʃklɛːɪ̯ps/ (< *flatją-hlaibaz) would probably be "unleavened bread".
Edit: Actually, according to Wiktionary, Proto-Germanic might have had *hlaibaz "unleavened bread" vs. *braudą "leavened bread". For whatever it's worth, *braudą > braud /brɔːʊ̯t/, probably.
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I'd be interested in how you got from þ to š.

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This is probably going to be an easy one, but I'm reworking an older language I did a while back.

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spanick wrote: 23 Jun 2018 00:57 I'd be interested in how you got from þ to š.
According to the Index Diachronica, it happened unconditionally between Proto-Semitic and Biblical Hebrew, and under certain conditions in some Algonquian languages.

What I have is:

θ > ʃ / _(j,i)
θ > f / _(w,u)
θ > f / C_, #_C
θ > ʃ / #_
θ > ð / V_V

spanick wrote: 23 Jun 2018 00:57 This is probably going to be an easy one, but I'm reworking an older language I did a while back.

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jeldvrööhäiven
/jeldvɾøːhɛɪvən/
Is it a noun?
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shimobaatar wrote: 23 Jun 2018 01:16
spanick wrote: 23 Jun 2018 00:57 I'd be interested in how you got from þ to š.
According to the Index Diachronica, it happened unconditionally between Proto-Semitic and Biblical Hebrew, and under certain conditions in some Algonquian languages.

What I have is:

θ > ʃ / _(j,i)
θ > f / _(w,u)
θ > f / C_, #_C
θ > ʃ / #_
θ > ð / V_V
Oh you're right...I had forgotten about that. I like those rules though! Very creative solution to what to do about that thorny sound (dun dun tss)

spanick wrote: 23 Jun 2018 00:57 This is probably going to be an easy one, but I'm reworking an older language I did a while back.

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jeldvrööhäiven
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Is it a noun?
Yes, it is.
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Is jeld cognate with German Geld? Or häiven with English haven?
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spanick wrote: 23 Jun 2018 01:18 I like those rules though! Very creative solution to what to do about that thorny sound (dun dun tss)
Thank you! Heheh… [:P]

Is the word made up of three morphemes?
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Clio wrote: 23 Jun 2018 04:46 Is jeld cognate with German Geld? Or häiven with English haven?
Yes to both.
shimobaatar wrote: 23 Jun 2018 06:50
Is the word made up of three morphemes?
Yes.
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Is the meaning 'anchorage dues'?
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Creyeditor wrote: 23 Jun 2018 17:26 Is the meaning 'anchorage dues'?
No, but that is an excellent guess. You’re in the correct semantic category.
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Is it the custom duties that you pay in a harbour?
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