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qwed117 wrote:Not really, but sorta? The nasal became a nasal vowel that then colored the l in front.
What do you mean by "the l in front"?

Did "bųan" originally begin with an /m/? In other words, was it "mu" > "bų"?
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shimobaatar wrote:
qwed117 wrote:Not really, but sorta? The nasal became a nasal vowel that then colored the l in front.
What do you mean by "the l in front"?

Did "bųan" originally begin with an /m/? In other words, was it "mu" > "bų"?
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Was -eu a noun in PG?
Yes. It's probably worthwhile to note that a hypothetical 'eu' is not related to '-eu'. It would be 'leu' instead.
The 'l' is from the next morpheme but because there was a nasal vowel behind it, it eventally became 'n', somewhat like l > nl > nn > n
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Okay. So there was nothing between ‹ų› and ‹a› originally? Did ‹ųa› develop from a single PG vowel/diphthong?
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Okay. So there was nothing between ‹ų› and ‹a› originally? Did ‹ųa› develop from a single PG vowel/diphthong?
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qwed117 wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Was -eu a noun in PG?
Yes. It's probably worthwhile to note that a hypothetical 'eu' is not related to '-eu'. It would be 'leu' instead.
The 'l' is from the next morpheme but because there was a nasal vowel behind it, it eventally became 'n', somewhat like l > nl > nn > n
So, the "n" in "bųan" was originally the "l" in "leu"? Or was it "bųanleu" > "bųanneu" > "bųaneu"?

Anyway, was "bųan" a verb?
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shimobaatar wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Was -eu a noun in PG?
Yes. It's probably worthwhile to note that a hypothetical 'eu' is not related to '-eu'. It would be 'leu' instead.
The 'l' is from the next morpheme but because there was a nasal vowel behind it, it eventally became 'n', somewhat like l > nl > nn > n
So, the "n" in "bųan" was originally the "l" in "leu"? Or was it "bųanleu" > "bųanneu" > "bųaneu"?

Anyway, was "bųan" a verb?
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Is the final nasal in the first and second morphemes the PG infinitive ending?
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Is the final nasal in the first and second morphemes the PG infinitive ending?
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Is the first morpheme a non-finite verb form?
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shimobaatar wrote:Is the first morpheme a non-finite verb form?
Yes
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Was it a past participle? A present participle?
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Its one of the two. It really shouldn't matter, but it's the past participle. (Also, slight hint: PG *fr is not the initial.)
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qwed117 wrote:It really shouldn't matter, but it's the past participle.
It proves that it was a strong verb, since weak verbs would have *-daz for the past participle rather than the *-anaz implied here.
(Also, slight hint: PG *fr is not the initial.)
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:
qwed117 wrote:It really shouldn't matter, but it's the past participle.
It proves that it was a strong verb, since weak verbs would have *-daz for the past participle rather than the *-anaz implied here.
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(Also, slight hint: PG *fr is not the initial.)
*þr-?
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Did the first morpheme originally begin with a Cr- cluster?
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The a-vocalism in the root of the first morpheme suggests a class-6 strong verb, but I can’t find any that might evolve into frakkęm. Maybe class-5 *sprekanaz?
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shimobaatar wrote:Did the first morpheme originally begin with a Cr- cluster?
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:The a-vocalism in the root of the first morpheme suggests a class-6 strong verb, but I can’t find any that might evolve into frakkęm. Maybe class-5 *sprekanaz?
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TBH, it could be a present gerund (it makes more sense diachronically in terms of that a). I just lost my notes on everything, but I still remember the actual lemmas.
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qwed117 wrote:TBH, it could be a present gerund (it makes more sense diachronically in terms of that a). I just lost my notes on everything, but I still remember the actual lemmas.
So, if it isn’t class-6, then that a can’t be from a PG *a.

Is the kk from something else in PG?
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:
qwed117 wrote:TBH, it could be a present gerund (it makes more sense diachronically in terms of that a). I just lost my notes on everything, but I still remember the actual lemmas.
So, if it isn’t class-6, then that a can’t be from a PG *a.

Is the kk from something else in PG?
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Is it *wrekanaz ‘pursued’?
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