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spanick wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:25
shimobaatar wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:23 Was the first vowel of the fr- word a in Biblical Gothic?
Yes it was.
Was the onset of the second syllable m in Biblical Gothic?
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shimobaatar wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:29
spanick wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:25
shimobaatar wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:23 Was the first vowel of the fr- word a in Biblical Gothic?
Yes it was.
Was the onset of the second syllable m in Biblical Gothic?
Yes.
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Can this word be found on Wiktionary?
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shimobaatar wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:37 Can this word be found on Wiktionary?
Yes, but you should use the PG lemmas rather than the Gothic lemmas.
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Oh, thank you!

Is it from *framaþiz?
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shimobaatar wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:48 Oh, thank you!

Is it from *framaþiz?
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Hint, use the PG for the second morpheme as well. It may be tricky and while it is in the Gothic lemmas, it will be less intuitive to find there than the PG.
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spanick wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:51 Hint, use the PG for the second morpheme as well. It may be tricky and while it is in the Gothic lemmas, it will be less intuitive to find there than the PG.
Thanks again!

Does -abahc- begin with a- in Proto-Germanic?
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shimobaatar wrote: 14 Jun 2018 23:25
spanick wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:51 Hint, use the PG for the second morpheme as well. It may be tricky and while it is in the Gothic lemmas, it will be less intuitive to find there than the PG.
Thanks again!

Does -abahc- begin with a- in Proto-Germanic?
Yes it did.
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spanick wrote: 14 Jun 2018 23:28
shimobaatar wrote: 14 Jun 2018 23:25
spanick wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:51 Hint, use the PG for the second morpheme as well. It may be tricky and while it is in the Gothic lemmas, it will be less intuitive to find there than the PG.
Thanks again!

Does -abahc- begin with a- in Proto-Germanic?
Yes it did.
Is it derived from just the stem, sans case endings?
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shimobaatar wrote: 15 Jun 2018 00:16
spanick wrote: 14 Jun 2018 23:28
shimobaatar wrote: 14 Jun 2018 23:25
spanick wrote: 14 Jun 2018 22:51 Hint, use the PG for the second morpheme as well. It may be tricky and while it is in the Gothic lemmas, it will be less intuitive to find there than the PG.
Thanks again!

Does -abahc- begin with a- in Proto-Germanic?
Yes it did.
Is it derived from just the stem, sans case endings?
In this case, the case ending has disappeared due to assimilation to the final sound of the stem. Were it another word that ended with another sound, it would be explicitly marked for a case but for this particular word the stem is used for all singular cases. Incidentally, this means there are technically four morphemes in this word but since once is a case ending and underlying, I didn’t bother to mention t before.

(Fun fact, in the process of coming up with this word and several related words, I found that due to a couple of sound change/case ending coincidences that there are two pairs of very closely related (semantically and etymologically) words which are homophones! So this word has a homophone spelled only slightly differently that has a different meaning. Once this word is figured out, I'll list those homophones just for funsies.)
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It just occurred to me that I may have misunderstood the question. The word is not descended from a particular declination of the PG noun just from the stem.
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spanick wrote: 15 Jun 2018 00:31 Incidentally, this means there are technically four morphemes in this word but since once is a case ending and underlying, I didn’t bother to mention t before.
So there are just three morphemes on the surface?
spanick wrote: 15 Jun 2018 00:31 (Fun fact, in the process of coming up with this word and several related words, I found that due to a couple of sound change/case ending coincidences that there are two pairs of very closely related (semantically and etymologically) words which are homophones! So this word has a homophone spelled only slightly differently that has a different meaning. Once this word is figured out, I'll list those homophones just for funsies.)
Please do!
spanick wrote: 15 Jun 2018 03:40 It just occurred to me that I may have misunderstood the question. The word is not descended from a particular declination of the PG noun just from the stem.
Yes, while your other answer was interesting by itself, this sounds closer to what I meant. Thank you!

Is the second reconstructed phoneme in the Proto-Germanic ancestor of -abahc- a *b?
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shimobaatar wrote: 15 Jun 2018 06:41
spanick wrote: 15 Jun 2018 00:31 Incidentally, this means there are technically four morphemes in this word but since once is a case ending and underlying, I didn’t bother to mention t before.
So there are just three morphemes on the surface?
Yes, the three you’ve identified.
Is the second reconstructed phoneme in the Proto-Germanic ancestor of -abahc- a *b?
The b is a b in PG but the b is not the second phoneme in the PG word.
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spanick wrote: 15 Jun 2018 08:17
Is the second reconstructed phoneme in the Proto-Germanic ancestor of -abahc- a *b?
The b is a b in PG but the b is not the second phoneme in the PG word.
Was the second phoneme a consonant?
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shimobaatar wrote: 16 Jun 2018 01:59
spanick wrote: 15 Jun 2018 08:17
Is the second reconstructed phoneme in the Proto-Germanic ancestor of -abahc- a *b?
The b is a b in PG but the b is not the second phoneme in the PG word.
Was the second phoneme a consonant?
Yes.
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spanick wrote: 16 Jun 2018 02:40
shimobaatar wrote: 16 Jun 2018 01:59
spanick wrote: 15 Jun 2018 08:17
Is the second reconstructed phoneme in the Proto-Germanic ancestor of -abahc- a *b?
The b is a b in PG but the b is not the second phoneme in the PG word.
Was the second phoneme a consonant?
Yes.
Was it a sonorant?
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shimobaatar wrote: 16 Jun 2018 04:33
spanick wrote: 16 Jun 2018 02:40
shimobaatar wrote: 16 Jun 2018 01:59
spanick wrote: 15 Jun 2018 08:17
Is the second reconstructed phoneme in the Proto-Germanic ancestor of -abahc- a *b?
The b is a b in PG but the b is not the second phoneme in the PG word.
Was the second phoneme a consonant?
Yes.
Was it a sonorant?
Yes
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Is it from *ambahtiją?
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shimobaatar wrote: 16 Jun 2018 04:55 Is it from *ambahtiją?
Yes!
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Is the whole word "embassy"?
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