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The last part of the word probably stems from PG *dōmaz, meaning judgment.
It is indeed from that stem. But, that's the easy half of the word!
shimobaatar wrote:Is the word a noun?
It is indeed. -az being nom.s. wordhoard form.
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Ist the first part from Proto-Germanic *būaną?
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Creyeditor wrote:Ist the first part from Proto-Germanic *būaną?
No.
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I have 2
Rych /ʀɪx/
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elemtilas wrote:Next:

bôôuumdomaz
Does the ô represent an overlong o, a long o, or a "short" o (that is, oː o or ɔ)?
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qwed117 wrote:
elemtilas wrote:Next:

bôôuumdomaz
Does the ô represent an overlong o, a long o, or a "short" o (that is, oː o or ɔ)?
"ôô" is overlong; "ô" is long and "o" is short. A hint might be that overlong vowels in Avantimannish always arise from some kind of set of sound changes. Perhaps two vowels collapse together; perhaps there is loss of some sound with compensatory lengthening.
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Is there more than 2 morphemes inside the compound?
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qwed117 wrote:Is there more than 2 morphemes inside the compound?
It is a compound of two Old Thietish (PrGmc) words. *dōmaz has already been identified. There are three morphemes, one of which is the nom.s. ending.
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Does the overlong ôô originate from a sequence involving a?
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qwed117 wrote:Does the overlong ôô originate from a sequence involving a?
"A" is indeed involved!

Are you narrowing down?
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Does the m stem from a nasalized vowel, or a true nasal? Maybe this is too much, but is the initial b- from PGm b?
Edit: So from what I understand in the morpheme "bôôuum" there's a vowel cluster, and an consonant (maybe cluster) that was/were later reduced.
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qwed117 wrote:Does the m stem from a nasalized vowel, or a true nasal? Maybe this is too much, but is the initial b- from PGm b?
I don't think it's from a nasalised vowel, just an actual nasal.
So from what I understand in the morpheme "bôôuum" there's a vowel cluster, and an consonant (maybe cluster) that was/were later reduced.
Two sets of reductions, not necessarily contemporaneous.
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Does ôô come from au?
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qwed117 wrote:Does ôô come from au?
Yes. This word probably had an "au" segment during during late Old Avantimannish times. Interestingly, a similar sound change was affecting the name of the language itself, which at that time was Auntimaniskaz, from an earlier Antimaniskaz.
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If there is a missing consonant, is it a PG voiced fricative/stop?
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Znex wrote:If there is a missing consonant, is it a PG voiced fricative/stop?
Neither a voiced fricative or stop. Old Thietish stops are still stops in Avantimannish.
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Is the missing consonant a liquid consonant (ie. l/r)?
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Znex wrote:Is the missing consonant a liquid consonant (ie. l/r)?
Yes, an L. I think this word is feeling much like the hound umbeset fox now!
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Wario Toad 32 wrote:So basically how this game works is one person will post a word in their Germanic Conlang and another person will reply to that post trying to guess what that word means. There's one of these on CWS but I decided to start one here. I'll start first.

Language: Faloch
Word: Morgonesten
IPA: /moʁgonestεn/
Breakfast, maybe? ("Esten" reminds me of the German word for "eat", essen. Brings to mind such words as Abendessen for dinner).
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Khemehekis wrote:
Wario Toad 32 wrote:So basically how this game works is one person will post a word in their Germanic Conlang and another person will reply to that post trying to guess what that word means. There's one of these on CWS but I decided to start one here. I'll start first.

Language: Faloch
Word: Morgonesten
IPA: /moʁgonestεn/
Breakfast, maybe? ("Esten" reminds me of the German word for "eat", essen. Brings to mind such words as Abendessen for dinner).
Yep, that was the answer already. Now we're trying to figure out what on earth bôôuumdomaz means/is derived from.

(We've already figured out it's from something like *bVlVmV+dōmaz; wherever the vowels go anyway)
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