Salmoneus wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018 18:24
I'm not sure what you mean. The word is a combination of morphemes, all of them Proto-Germanic in origin, but the word does not reflect a single lexical item present in Proto-Germanic. So all the morphemes are 'original' in the sense of being in Proto-Germanic, but non-original in the sense that they weren't all found together in one word in Proto-Germanic. If that helps?
Unless <k> is a morphine unto itself, It's not at all helpful since I know all that already, afterall that's the game. But evidently I need to be more clear:
Is the sound /k/ in this word a direct reflex of Proto-Germanic *k?
Oh, you mean phonologically? Sorry, I thought you mean morphemically.
spanick wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018 19:18
So the Proto-Germanic word was something like *þVrsk-?
Er... "something like" is a bit tricky. Not a million miles from, sure. Though you're forgetting the -el, for one thing, and I'd also note my early correction of /s/ to /S/, which may or may not be significant.
However, it's not just a word *þVrskaz or *þVrskana.
[To reassure you, it's a derivative of a possible/probable Proto-Germanic word that also had derivatives in other, attested, Germanic languages]
spanick wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018 19:18
So the Proto-Germanic word was something like *þVrsk-?
Er... "something like" is a bit tricky. Not a million miles from, sure. Though you're forgetting the -el, for one thing, and I'd also note my early correction of /s/ to /S/, which may or may not be significant.
However, it's not just a word *þVrskaz or *þVrskana.
[To reassure you, it's a derivative of a possible/probable Proto-Germanic word that also had derivatives in other, attested, Germanic languages]
Good to know. Is the -el descended from PG *-ilaz?
spanick wrote: ↑24 Nov 2018 19:18
So the Proto-Germanic word was something like *þVrsk-?
Er... "something like" is a bit tricky. Not a million miles from, sure. Though you're forgetting the -el, for one thing, and I'd also note my early correction of /s/ to /S/, which may or may not be significant.
However, it's not just a word *þVrskaz or *þVrskana.
[To reassure you, it's a derivative of a possible/probable Proto-Germanic word that also had derivatives in other, attested, Germanic languages]
Good to know. Is the -el descended from PG *-ilaz?
spanick wrote: ↑25 Nov 2018 05:37
Is <throsk> composed on any more morphemes?
Do you mean, is it composed of one morpheme or of more?
It's composed, at the PGmc level, of two morphemes, although I'm not sure whether it's still decomposable at the Wenthish level (one morpheme may have ceased to be productive).
spanick wrote: ↑25 Nov 2018 05:37
Is <throsk> composed on any more morphemes?
Do you mean, is it composed of one morpheme or of more?
It's composed, at the PGmc level, of two morphemes, although I'm not sure whether it's still decomposable at the Wenthish level (one morpheme may have ceased to be productive).
spanick wrote: ↑25 Nov 2018 05:37
Is <throsk> composed on any more morphemes?
Do you mean, is it composed of one morpheme or of more?
It's composed, at the PGmc level, of two morphemes, although I'm not sure whether it's still decomposable at the Wenthish level (one morpheme may have ceased to be productive).
Sorry, I really lost track of things here. I've gone through the last few pages of the thread and made an attempt to compile everything that's been established so far. Hopefully I haven't missed anything or made any other mistakes.
Spoiler:
The word: nębthroskel
/nɛb.þrɔʃ.kəl/
Everything other than -throsk-:
It's a noun, and a compound.
All of the word's morphemes can be traced back to Proto-Germanic.
nęb is cognate to Old English "nebb", from Proto-Germanic *nabją.
shimobaatar wrote: ↑25 Nov 2018 20:34
Sorry, I really lost track of things here. I've gone through the last few pages of the thread and made an attempt to compile everything that's been established so far. Hopefully I haven't missed anything or made any other mistakes.
Spoiler:
The word: nębthroskel
/nɛb.þrɔʃ.kəl/
Everything other than -throsk-:
It's a noun, and a compound.
All of the word's morphemes can be traced back to Proto-Germanic.
nęb is cognate to Old English "nebb", from Proto-Germanic *nabją.
shimobaatar wrote: ↑25 Nov 2018 20:34
Sorry, I really lost track of things here. I've gone through the last few pages of the thread and made an attempt to compile everything that's been established so far. Hopefully I haven't missed anything or made any other mistakes.
Spoiler:
The word: nębthroskel
/nɛb.þrɔʃ.kəl/
Everything other than -throsk-:
It's a noun, and a compound.
All of the word's morphemes can be traced back to Proto-Germanic.
nęb is cognate to Old English "nebb", from Proto-Germanic *nabją.
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