Ælfwine wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 02:59
Did this word then derive from *castellum?
I'm afraid not.
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Upon closer inspection, I transcribed the word incorrectly. It doesn't affect any of the previous guesses or answers but it could potentially be a clue
Ælfwine wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 02:29
Was is the /ɛ/ fronted from Vulgar Latin /a/ in a stressed position?
Yes
I don't see how the Latin /a/ in the first syllable could have been stressed; if /ʎ/ descends from Latin /ll/, the penult would have been heavy and stressed. Or did the word-level stress move from the Latin?
Ælfwine wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 02:29
Was is the /ɛ/ fronted from Vulgar Latin /a/ in a stressed position?
Yes
I don't see how the Latin /a/ in the first syllable could have been stressed; if /ʎ/ descends from Latin /ll/, the penult would have been heavy and stressed. Or did the word-level stress move from the Latin?
It did indeed. Túrnnu experienced a shift of stress to the first syllable early on. You're correct that in Latin it was the penult that carried the stress.
Ælfwine wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 02:29
Was is the /ɛ/ fronted from Vulgar Latin /a/ in a stressed position?
Yes
I don't see how the Latin /a/ in the first syllable could have been stressed; if /ʎ/ descends from Latin /ll/, the penult would have been heavy and stressed. Or did the word-level stress move from the Latin?
It did indeed. Túrnnu experienced a shift of stress to the first syllable early on. You're correct that in Latin it was the penult that carried the stress.
Likewise I've thought about shifting the stress to the front as well, but as a result of sound change by syncoping the pretonic vowel. Still an interesting idea.
Ælfwine wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 03:21
Likewise I've thought about shifting the stress to the front as well, but as a result of sound change by syncoping the pretonic vowel. Still an interesting idea.
My reasoning is that the Germanic speaking people who took up Latin had trouble with the stress and would pronounce words with the stress pattern of their Germanic language. It's a flimsy reason, I admit.
Clio wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 03:23
Was the consonant from which /z/ derives already voiced in Latin?
Ælfwine wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 03:21
Likewise I've thought about shifting the stress to the front as well, but as a result of sound change by syncoping the pretonic vowel. Still an interesting idea.
My reasoning is that the Germanic speaking people who took up Latin had trouble with the stress and would pronounce words with the stress pattern of their Germanic language. It's a flimsy reason, I admit.
Clio wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 03:23
Was the consonant from which /z/ derives already voiced in Latin?
Clio wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 03:47
Oh, I'm sure you don't need much reason to have the stress shift. It happened possibly twice in the history of Latin, and in Germanic.
Twice? I know there was a shift from initial stress to the classical stress pattern, but what was the other shift?
Clio wrote: ↑08 Jul 2018 03:47
Oh, I'm sure you don't need much reason to have the stress shift. It happened possibly twice in the history of Latin, and in Germanic.
Twice? I know there was a shift from initial stress to the classical stress pattern, but what was the other shift?
The first shift was the shift to initial stress from the Indo-European accent.