Guess the Word in Future Englishes

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So does 'j' come from a devoiced affricate ('ch')?
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Is the third morpheme from :eng: guy?
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qwed117 wrote:So does 'j' come from a devoiced affricate ('ch')?
No.
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Is the third morpheme from :eng: guy?
Yes. In Pēsh Zūcn it is an agent derivational morpheme, like -er in Modern English.
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So right now we know the word is some
"ar- -ing guy"
Is the first cranberry morpheme 'art'
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qwed117 wrote:So right now we know the word is some
"ar- -ing guy"
Is the first cranberry morpheme 'art'
Yes!

(you're very close! [:D] )
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Does 'j' come from *ʃ <sh>? If so, does 'ū' come from *əʊ̯ <ow>?

If so, is it *art-showing guy, and does it mean 'curator of a gallery'?
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Art loving guy, i.e. so an art lover?
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Creyeditor wrote:Art loving guy, i.e. so an art lover?
That's such a better answer than mine [xP]
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qwed117 wrote:Does 'j' come from *ʃ <sh>? If so, does 'ū' come from *əʊ̯ <ow>?
No, neither of these is true.

As a reminder,
Ōjūvngà
/ɔːˈt͡ʃuː.ʋn̩ˌkɑ/
[ɔˈd͡ʒuː.ʋɪŋˌgɑ]

The sound d͡ʒ in the word has always been phonetically voiced, i.e. the sound in ME was voiced and it has retained its voicing by being between vowels, while the language lost its phonemic voicing distinction.
Creyeditor wrote:Art loving guy, i.e. so an art lover?
Nope! I quote:
Jackk wrote:ōjūvngà is a noun referring to a profession.
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Well, does it have anything to do with art?
Edit: I wanted to clarify that I know the first morpheme comes from "art", but I'm asking if the profession is still related to what we think of as art.
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Does *ū come from ME /u/?
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shimobaatar wrote:Well, does it have anything to do with art?
Edit: I wanted to clarify that I know the first morpheme comes from "art", but I'm asking if the profession is still related to what we think of as art.
Yes, very much so.

In fact, the morpheme ō- is almost redundant in the word ōjūvngà; i.e. the hypothetical word chūvngà would probably be fine, but eh, language is weird.
(It's rather like ME icicle <- ice-ickle)
qwed117 wrote:Does *ū come from ME /u/?
No, mostly. Modern English "long u" as in "too" or "choose" fronted to /y:/ and then unrounded to /i:/, in most cases.

One prominent exception is that /u:/ was preserved before coda /l/, which was lost.

So:
"few" /fju:/ -> /fi:/
"fool" /fu:l/ -> /fu:/

There is another word in Pēsh Zūcn. Its source has the same vowel in Modern British English as ōjūvnga, and indeed, another word with ū that I've used a few times already.
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Does it just mean artist?
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Creyeditor wrote:Does it just mean artist?
Bingo! [:D]

More specifically, I'd probably say "painter" - the root is " art drawing guy", but close enough!

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Next: [hɪ˥̃.ɸœf]
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Is it a noun?
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Yes [:)]
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Does the bilabial fricative come from ME *b?
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qwed117 wrote:Does the bilabial fricative come from ME *b?
No.
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Creyeditor wrote:
qwed117 wrote:Does the bilabial fricative come from ME *b?
No.
Does it come from an *m?
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