Since nobody updated their answers I think it would be Auvon's turn, but a reveal would be nice
Quick Diachronics Challenge
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You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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I'll start working on something, assuming qwed will reveal it soon and no one has any new guesses.
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Yeah, Auvon's the winner.
The answer was *'ekonom. The *sk cluster came from the palatization of the k, not an original cluster. The original location of the stress makes it more likely than just *skonom. The central *o becomes *we in a couple of languages, and not the reverse. There wasn't any true treeing, however.
The answer was *'ekonom. The *sk cluster came from the palatization of the k, not an original cluster. The original location of the stress makes it more likely than just *skonom. The central *o becomes *we in a couple of languages, and not the reverse. There wasn't any true treeing, however.
Spoiler:
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(I expect to get this up by Saturday, sorry for the wait).
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The extension has been extended; I'm almost done with sound changes for all ten languages, after that I plan to run around 30 proto-words thrhough sound changes, although I'm not sure if I'll actually do that much. I'm doing mainly binary branching with a few areal features. Maybe expect it by the middle of the week, hopefully not too much later.
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So looking forward to it I really enjoy these challengesAuvon wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017 02:12 The extension has been extended; I'm almost done with sound changes for all ten languages, after that I plan to run around 30 proto-words thrhough sound changes, although I'm not sure if I'll actually do that much. I'm doing mainly binary branching with a few areal features. Maybe expect it by the middle of the week, hopefully not too much later.
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Here it is, the long awaited and longer procrastinated diachronics challenge, vol. something. [PDF warning, I can provide screenshots of the pages if you dislike PDFs that much.]
Have at it, folks.
Edit (now Edits): The little vertical bar thing is stress marker, not lateral; TNR apparently doesn't like that at small sizes. c4 should not have that line break. And the voiceless diacritic isn't composing with the nasals, and there's probably more – please just use the image to reduce confusion. Blame Google Docs, not me. Here is an image of the chart, which looks much less shitty.
Have at it, folks.
Edit (now Edits): The little vertical bar thing is stress marker, not lateral; TNR apparently doesn't like that at small sizes. c4 should not have that line break. And the voiceless diacritic isn't composing with the nasals, and there's probably more – please just use the image to reduce confusion. Blame Google Docs, not me. Here is an image of the chart, which looks much less shitty.
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My goodness. Did you get a grant while you were at it? The presentation and production value behind these challenges sure has gone up over time.
I like my languages how I like my women: grammatically complex with various moods and tenses, a thin line between nouns and verbs, and dozens upon dozens of possible conjugations for every single verb.
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Inkcube-Revolver wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017 03:58 My goodness. Did you get a grant while you were at it? The presentation and production value behind these challenges sure has gone up over time.
Holy mother of god! This could get interesting
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Spoiler:
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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I'm not going to provide any commentary on guesses just yet, but just FYI sangi, the initial nasal of 2 in a c g is voiceless and it seems you've accidentally copied it down as voiced.
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Oh, so I have. I'll have to amend that. I don't think that changes my groupings at all, but it does make Word 2 a bit easier to work out, I guess
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Ohhh, languages A, C and G have phonemic vertical vowel systems (3, 2 and 3 vowels respectively)! That might make things a bit easier (I hope)
EDIT: Oh, and so does Language J
EDIT: Oh, and so does Language J
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Spoiler:
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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I'll provide some very vague commentary seeing as you're the only one working on this currently (although others may be?), of course I expect this to take longer than usual. (To everyone else, have a shot even if you aren't sure; I certainly wouldn't be able to so well on this).
Some of your theories are fairly accurate; others not so much – but many of them seem to get the broad trends, even if specifics are quite off. Looking back at this, there's at least one segment category that's not easily reconstructable, possibly more.
As a sort of hint, I'll provide the number of sound changes from PTia to each language. Note, not all rules apply widely, some don't at all; some rules are fairly radical while others may be minor.
Some of your theories are fairly accurate; others not so much – but many of them seem to get the broad trends, even if specifics are quite off. Looking back at this, there's at least one segment category that's not easily reconstructable, possibly more.
As a sort of hint, I'll provide the number of sound changes from PTia to each language. Note, not all rules apply widely, some don't at all; some rules are fairly radical while others may be minor.
Spoiler:
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I'm going to ignore the hints in spoilers for the moment, lol. I assume there are other people working on this, it's just a pretty challenging... challenge. I'm just posting stuff as and when it comes to me, keeping each post relatively short so that you don't get bogged down trying to respond to a wall of text.
Spoiler:
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Trying to pin down the phoneme inventory of the proto-language:
Spoiler:
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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It's almost more interesting to watch sangi do it than to work out the actual thing. On the other hand, I'd probably be doing it were it not for my whole family being here for the holidays
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No problem, I'm fine to wait for a while.
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I would love to join but I fear this is well beyond my capabilities and anything I do now will be a rip off sangi's attempt. I am enjoying following this though.