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Armenian ewt'n "seven" ~ Akkadian sibittu id.
Finnish taivas "sky" ~ Georgian devi "monster" ~ Arabic diyū "demon" ~ English Tyr
Lule Sami boatsoj "reindeer" ~ Bashkir mïšï "moose" ~ English fee
Finnish sarvi "horn" ~ Finnish hirvi "elk" ~ English hornet ~ English cerebrum
Pite Sami tjuohte "hundred" ~ English cent
Finnish ajaa "drive" ~ Northern Sami vuodjit "drive" ~ English coagulate ~ Finnish ammatti "profession" ~ Irish amhas "hooligan" ~ French gérer "manage"
Moksha jerʹxke "lake" ~ Lithuanian jáura "bog"
Northern Sami miehta "honey" ~ Chinese mì id. ~ Malay madu id. ~ Yakut müöt id. ~ Lao mathu id. ~ Chechen moz id. (OK, I'm not sure about the last three, but it's probable)
Micmac atlai "shirt" < Basque atorra id.
Micmac elega:wit "he is a king" ~ Latvian redzēt "see"
also Iroquois < Basque-based pidgin (h)ilokoa "killer people"
Finnish taivas "sky" ~ Georgian devi "monster" ~ Arabic diyū "demon" ~ English Tyr
Lule Sami boatsoj "reindeer" ~ Bashkir mïšï "moose" ~ English fee
Finnish sarvi "horn" ~ Finnish hirvi "elk" ~ English hornet ~ English cerebrum
Pite Sami tjuohte "hundred" ~ English cent
Finnish ajaa "drive" ~ Northern Sami vuodjit "drive" ~ English coagulate ~ Finnish ammatti "profession" ~ Irish amhas "hooligan" ~ French gérer "manage"
Moksha jerʹxke "lake" ~ Lithuanian jáura "bog"
Northern Sami miehta "honey" ~ Chinese mì id. ~ Malay madu id. ~ Yakut müöt id. ~ Lao mathu id. ~ Chechen moz id. (OK, I'm not sure about the last three, but it's probable)
Micmac atlai "shirt" < Basque atorra id.
Micmac elega:wit "he is a king" ~ Latvian redzēt "see"
also Iroquois < Basque-based pidgin (h)ilokoa "killer people"
Re: Surprising cognates
are the Micmac words all loans?
air and wind are cognates, if you follow the chains of words at http://enwp.org/wikt:air and http://enwp.org/wikt:wind , though the common element is just PIE *h2w-. Also in this word family are east, Austria, and Australia. meaning that the similarity of the names of the two countries is not such a coincidence after all, despite that they have different meanings.
air and wind are cognates, if you follow the chains of words at http://enwp.org/wikt:air and http://enwp.org/wikt:wind , though the common element is just PIE *h2w-. Also in this word family are east, Austria, and Australia. meaning that the similarity of the names of the two countries is not such a coincidence after all, despite that they have different meanings.
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locum > lieu {place, location}
Both come from the PIE root *stel- {to put, place}.
locum > lieu {place, location}
Both come from the PIE root *stel- {to put, place}.
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<iron> <sister> <sangria>
PIE *h₁ésh₂r̥ "Blood">Proto-Celtic *īsarnom "Iron ["Bloody Metal"]">borrowed by PGerm *īsarną>O. īren> <Iron>
>*PIE su-h₁ésh₂-ōr "self-blood-FEM">PGerm *swestēr> O:eng:sweostor>:eng: sister
> sanguis "blood"> sangre>:esp: sangria "blood like [drink]">borrowed sangria
PIE *h₁ésh₂r̥ "Blood">Proto-Celtic *īsarnom "Iron ["Bloody Metal"]">borrowed by PGerm *īsarną>O. īren> <Iron>
>*PIE su-h₁ésh₂-ōr "self-blood-FEM">PGerm *swestēr> O:eng:sweostor>:eng: sister
> sanguis "blood"> sangre>:esp: sangria "blood like [drink]">borrowed sangria
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Apparently, "arsenic" might be related to "yellow".
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English head(native Germanic word), chief, chef(from French, ultimately from Latin), cape(from French, ultimately from Latin), cap(ultimately from Latin), capital(from Latin), jefe(from Spanish, ultimately from Latin), and kapala(from Tibet, ultimately from Sanskrit)
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.
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Also Chapter,, from a French doublet of Chief.k1234567890y wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018 15:59 English head(native Germanic word), chief, chef(from French, ultimately from Latin), cape(from French, ultimately from Latin), cap(ultimately from Latin), capital(from Latin), jefe(from Spanish, ultimately from Latin), and kapala(from Tibet, ultimately from Sanskrit)
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from the last one you could then add 瓦 /kawara/ "tile; covering; kneecap".k1234567890y wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018 15:59 English head(native Germanic word), chief, chef(from French, ultimately from Latin), cape(from French, ultimately from Latin), cap(ultimately from Latin), capital(from Latin), jefe(from Spanish, ultimately from Latin), and kapala(from Tibet, ultimately from Sanskrit)
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English magician, via French magicien, via Latin magus, via Greek mágos (itself from an indeterminate Iranian origin)
Chinese wū 巫 "shaman, witch", possibly from Sino-Tibetan *mjaɣ, loaned from Persian *maguš
Somewhat controversial, as wū 巫 could also be from mu 母 meaning mother, given the tradition of female shamanesses.
Chinese wū 巫 "shaman, witch", possibly from Sino-Tibetan *mjaɣ, loaned from Persian *maguš
Somewhat controversial, as wū 巫 could also be from mu 母 meaning mother, given the tradition of female shamanesses.
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巫 and 母 in oracle bone script look nothing alike though.
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We already had this a few pages ago. There is also Indonesian (!) 'kepala'.Pabappa wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018 20:58from the last one you could then add 瓦 /kawara/ "tile; covering; kneecap".k1234567890y wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018 15:59 English head(native Germanic word), chief, chef(from French, ultimately from Latin), cape(from French, ultimately from Latin), cap(ultimately from Latin), capital(from Latin), jefe(from Spanish, ultimately from Latin), and kapala(from Tibet, ultimately from Sanskrit)
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Re: Surprising cognates
Indeed, it's important not to confuse script etymology with spoken language etymology. Words of common origin are sometimes written with different characters. Japanese in particular is full of this, since kanji is basically a foreign writing system that has nothing to do with Japanese etymology, but Chinese surely has the same thing as well.GrandPiano wrote: ↑27 Jun 2018 23:36That doesn’t mean the words themselves aren’t related. They may have already been considered separate words in Old Chinese.
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Interestingly, Italic also has a representative in the first *h₁ésh₂r̥ category as well.Shemtov wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018 06:43 <iron> <sister> <sangria>
PIE *h₁ésh₂r̥ "Blood">Proto-Celtic *īsarnom "Iron ["Bloody Metal"]">borrowed by PGerm *īsarną>O. īren> <Iron>
>*PIE su-h₁ésh₂-ōr "self-blood-FEM">PGerm *swestēr> O:eng:sweostor>:eng: sister
> sanguis "blood"> sangre>:esp: sangria "blood like [drink]">borrowed sangria
Old had assyr, aser, ascer 'blood'.
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Is it by his very blood that mankind is drawn to Mars?Lambuzhao wrote: ↑05 Jul 2018 18:05Interestingly, Italic also has a representative in the first *h₁ésh₂r̥ category as well.Shemtov wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018 06:43 <iron> <sister> <sangria>
PIE *h₁ésh₂r̥ "Blood">Proto-Celtic *īsarnom "Iron ["Bloody Metal"]">borrowed by PGerm *īsarną>O. īren> <Iron>
>*PIE su-h₁ésh₂-ōr "self-blood-FEM">PGerm *swestēr> O:eng:sweostor>:eng: sister
> sanguis "blood"> sangre>:esp: sangria "blood like [drink]">borrowed sangria
Old had assyr, aser, ascer 'blood'.
Bloody well right!
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There is this chiastic pattern in the two biggest Germanic languages:
Schaum 'foam' ~ scum
Feim 'scum' ~ foam
Though Feim is now obsolete in Standard German, but the derived adjective abgefeimt 'cunning' is still in use.
Schaum 'foam' ~ scum
Feim 'scum' ~ foam
Though Feim is now obsolete in Standard German, but the derived adjective abgefeimt 'cunning' is still in use.
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Hindi चाबी caabi /t͡ʃaːbiː/ "key" ~ Spanish llave /ʎaβe/ "key"
Both are from Latin clavis. Hindi gets it from a Portuguese intermediary.
Both are from Latin clavis. Hindi gets it from a Portuguese intermediary.
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Chinese 車 and English wheel, it is possible that the Chinese word was ultimately a borrowing from a word for wheel from Indo-European languages
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Posts like this would be more interesting if you include the pronunciation.k1234567890y wrote: ↑19 Jul 2018 22:02 Chinese 車 and English wheel, it is possible that the Chinese word was ultimately a borrowing from a word for wheel from Indo-European languages
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