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ixals wrote: 19 Jul 2018 13:05 Reminds me of German "unsereins". Is the second part from some form of *ainaz, therefore meaning "one of you" or something similar?
No, it is not derivational morphology at all [cross] But a very interesting guess [:)]

In Gniebeggas:
<iggerens>
/igːərənʃ/

Also to summarize:
  • It is neither a verb, nor a noun, nor an adjective.
  • The word consists of three morphemes.
  • The first two morphemes have already been found by guessing a relation to PG *izweraz
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Is it an adverb?
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No [cross]
It is actually of the same category as *izweras
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So it's a possessive pronoun?
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shimobaatar wrote: 22 Jul 2018 21:14 So it's a possessive pronoun?
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Second person plural?
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shimobaatar wrote: 22 Jul 2018 22:45 Second person plural?
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There's more to it, though, since there are three morphemes.

You said that the first two morphemes have already been found. Just to be clear, are they "2nd person plural possessive pronoun" and "masculine nominative singular", like in *izwer-az?
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Sorry, the first two morphemes are derived from the second person plural possessive. I assumed an analysis where the root is *izw (corresponding to modern igg(e)) and *-er (corresponding to modern -(e)r) is suffixed to some pronouns to derive possessive forms. These are the morphemes that have already been guessed. Sorry for being unclear about that.
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Creyeditor wrote: 23 Jul 2018 15:10 Sorry, the first two morphemes are derived from the second person plural possessive. I assumed an analysis where the root is *izw (corresponding to modern igg(e)) and *-er (corresponding to modern -(e)r) is suffixed to some pronouns to derive possessive forms. These are the morphemes that have already been guessed. Sorry for being unclear about that.
Oh, that's OK. Thanks for clarifying. Is the third morpheme an inflectional/agreement suffix?
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shimobaatar wrote: 23 Jul 2018 15:40
Creyeditor wrote: 23 Jul 2018 15:10 Sorry, the first two morphemes are derived from the second person plural possessive. I assumed an analysis where the root is *izw (corresponding to modern igg(e)) and *-er (corresponding to modern -(e)r) is suffixed to some pronouns to derive possessive forms. These are the morphemes that have already been guessed. Sorry for being unclear about that.
Oh, that's OK. Thanks for clarifying. Is the third morpheme an inflectional/agreement suffix?
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Is the final suffix singular?
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shimobaatar wrote: 23 Jul 2018 22:11 Is the final suffix singular?
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Is it nominative?
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shimobaatar wrote: 23 Jul 2018 23:09 Is it nominative?
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Genitive?
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shimobaatar wrote: 24 Jul 2018 00:19Genitive?
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Dative?
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I think it's fair to declare you the winner right now. It is the second person plural possessive pronouns with agreement for plural/non-singular number and dative case. And for all your suffering here is a reward: An example sentence.

E täches se iggerens fårrens.
E täches se igg-er-ens fårrens.
1SG.NOM show.1SG.PRS you.ACC 3PL-POSS-DAT.PL father.PL.DAT
I show you to their fathers.
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Creyeditor wrote: 24 Jul 2018 10:29 E täches se iggerens fårrens.
E täches se igg-er-ens fårrens.
1SG.NOM show.1SG.PRS you.ACC 3PL-POSS-DAT.PL father.PL.DAT
I show you to their fathers.
Looks nice! What's the background for this language, if I might ask?

Language: Modern Königsberg Northeast Germanic
Word: dabbøms
IPA: /ˈdɑbøms/

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