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 Post subject: names
PostPosted: Sat 30 Apr 2011, 16:06 
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Hello,
I´m interested about the names in your conworld.
If they have a meaning, maybe you will tell us about.

In my conworld there is actually just one country, and its name is Minalavaŝ, which means "Country of the first" or "First Country"

But I also have some names for people like "Marau" (good man) oder "Vanyai" (beautiful woman).

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sat 30 Apr 2011, 18:18 
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Proto-Vdangku derives from vdangk--to speak, which is also carried out into its descendant Utakwu.

Most names are single word bastardizations of concepts associated with the person:
diot--to erase, gives rise to > Diotu, Diot, Dotu, Doti, Diti
veirk--to create > Veirgguå, Vēguå, Eirku, Veirkå, Ebbeiku
ol-under + alxhpin-deity > Olalxhpin, Olal, Olilxhpin, Olixhin, Oalixh

The first form is generally the most basic form derived from a simple nominalization of the verb.

Place names are more literal and less subject to change:
Olneůik a cavern city situated within the mountains< ol- under, neůik mountain deity
Exhpazixh name of region inhabited by Vdangku-speaking peoples < pluralization of exhpazu flatland

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sat 30 Apr 2011, 20:12 
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People always have titles, which are used all the time. The only time they're not used is when they're addressed by a close friend. The most common titles are 'di' and 'da' which mean 'mr' and 'mrs/miss', respectively. If someone is above 80, then they're called 'ki' or 'ka', for the intent of respect. Other titles are available, but they need to be earned in some way.

Anyhow, when it comes to their real names, their family chooses their first name, showing what they would like their child to be like. When the child turns 15, they choose a second name, signifying what they think they're like now, and that they're developed little kiddies. People use this name on its own when they know the person well.

For example, a boy is born, their family calls him 'Kala' (don't know what that means yet, possibly 'wise'?), therefore, he is officially called 'di Kala'. He turns 15, and decides that he's 'Cmonla' (don't know this, either, and it's not time to make a lexicon), so he's now called 'di Kala Cmonla'. Then he turns 80, so he's called 'ki Kala Cmonla'. Then he turns into an Emperor, 'cause he's great, so he's called 'or Kala Cmonla', along with his wife, 'ora Silǫ Sminci'.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sat 30 Apr 2011, 20:20 
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Some names from Emyt:
Female: Kovilnin, Sokvaen, Ehrat, Tovalnin, Gorzunin
Male: Tamelnan, Edennan, Tan Ogin
Surnames: Rutranav, Nuktursep, Vojtorsev, Ekriv, Kekutov

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sat 30 Apr 2011, 23:15 
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tev wrote:
Hello,
I´m interested about the names in your conworld.
If they have a meaning, maybe you will tell us about.

I wonder that all the time about natlangs in the real world (aka "prime reality").
Not only personal names, but also place names.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sun 01 May 2011, 03:43 
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Mbäta people take 2 names in their life.

The first name is the birth name decided by the infant's household's members on the 3rd day after the birth of the infant in a marriage ceremony, which is always the date on which they were born in the Mbäta calendar. An example would be Sekpuclü (“[The 16day of] Fluted Gourd's 4th [Day]”); note the day of the 16day, “Four”, is compounded into the name to form a single word, as is the norm when naming children, as opposed to the customary practice when referencing dates which is to treat the day of the 16day as a separate word: Thus, Sekpuc ɓålü (“Fluted Gourd its 4th day.”)

The second name is given at marriage. Mbäta married names always have meaning and any word in Pingÿgo fitting of the person's character and caste may be made into a married name, giving such examples as Hüpaham (“Flower Petal”), Domuma (“Leopard”), Båpÿ (“Prosperity”), &c..

Mbäta names are mononyms, as surnames were banned and abolished by the first Sösoba, Sösoba Gögoje, during her reign in the 7th century BCE. All Mbäta names are unisex.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sun 01 May 2011, 17:37 
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I think "If they mean anything" is a pointless question because if they are in real life they always mean something <.<

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sun 01 May 2011, 18:28 
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Well, some derivations are more obvious than others. Except for language nerds like us, how many people know what names like "Alice" and "Roger" mean? Contrast to stereotypical native american names like runs-with-water and sitting-bear.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sun 01 May 2011, 20:19 
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Micamo wrote:
Well, some derivations are more obvious than others. Except for language nerds like us, how many people know what names like "Alice" and "Roger" mean? Contrast to stereotypical native american names like runs-with-water and sitting-bear.

That is correct but the names still mean stuff

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sun 01 May 2011, 21:19 
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zelos wrote:
Micamo wrote:
Well, some derivations are more obvious than others. Except for language nerds like us, how many people know what names like "Alice" and "Roger" mean? Contrast to stereotypical native american names like runs-with-water and sitting-bear.

That is correct but the names still mean stuff


But are they understood as meaning something in any generally known language?

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sun 01 May 2011, 21:37 
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I think that's what tev meant, "dead" names with fossilized meaning (like "Roger" or "Dillon") as opposed to "living" names with active meaning in the language (like "Dawn" or "Faith"). Personally, I don't find "living" names to be very aesthetic. They're kinda silly, really.

That said, I do use them for Acoi: Names are generally composed of a first name, given to you by caretakers during childhood, and a profession, which is decided by the clan's judges when the child reaches adulthood. Animal names are the most common type for first names, for example "Ngumpolu Nturiu", literally "Bear Fisherman."

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Thu 19 May 2011, 20:58 
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Names in Daljetz are made from a word, possibly with some relevance to the person. Then they change, depending on what your profession is, how well you practice it (determined in 3 'ranks'), and your gender.
The name I invented for myself is pretty simple.
Valos = Highest rank of a fictional fighting group. My 'root name' is Valosk. (They're all randomly changed usually.)

As a beginner of the discipline, my name is Valoski.
As an intermediate, it's Valosku.
When I master the discipline, I am Valosken.

There's better examples...but I can't think of anything now.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Fri 20 May 2011, 16:11 
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Most Wattētexu name don't mean anything. Just like most names in Swedish or English or in many other languages. They used to means something, but that another thing. A few names are still semantically transparent, but these are exception.

Traditionally, the possible naming arrangement in Wattētexu have been:

(1) Three given names. The person is usually addressed by the first name in everyday conversation, the second in more official contexts. The third is used in very formal situations. The first is name is unique; the third and second is chosen among a small number of names traditionally used by family members.

(2) Two given names, and one or two family names. The two first names as above, but the third name has been replaced by one or two true family names.

(3) Two, or more given names, and a family name preceded by xō ("of"), this is common among the higher social classes (similar to "de" or "von" etc. in European nobility names).

There are both genders-specific names, and names that may be used by both males and females.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Wed 01 Jun 2011, 01:02 
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Atenians from the capital have one name, usually in the format of [Area, Religious, Etc] [Clan[Rank]] [Patriarchal] [Matriarchal] [Personal].
Shusu se Anden Lom Yanai mi Adai, or An mi Adai, would be a girl, Adia, who lives in the capital districts, from mother Yanai and father Lom, from the upper-class (Den) clan An, which has a long-standing tradition of practicing the major water religion (Shusu); you would probably see her at church often, in the nicer seats. (The fact that her family goes with the Religious/Other instead of identifying with an area also says something; the clan may be nomadic, or against the current government.)

Official names usually don't mean anything; it's not considered a good idea to name a child after anything 'solid', or any particular 'ideal'. Names like "Pepper", "Autumn" or "Faith" would be bad.
The longer version would only be used in business and other 'important' occasions. Adai would sign a contract in her long name, but introduce herself to a friend or a boss with the short one.

People from anywhere else, or who natively speak another language, have a name in their own language, and, by law, an Official/Capital name. (Which may or may not be the same thing, just Anglicized/Romanized/Capitalized.)
Ra Shura, an Western Atenian name, is simply [Clan] [Personal], and would be Officialized as Ra mi Shura. The use of ra twice indicates this is a proud, powerful clan, especially to append it to the personal name.


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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 13:01 
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tev wrote:
Hello,
I´m interested about the names in your conworld.
If they have a meaning, maybe you will tell us about.

In my conworld there is actually just one country, and its name is Minalavaŝ, which means "Country of the first" or "First Country"

But I also have some names for people like "Marau" (good man) oder "Vanyai" (beautiful woman).


In stammål names can consist of a "Dead name" who no one knows where it comes from. Others come either from a commun noun, they are considered simple and traditional. The most common ones are derived from adjectives.
An example on this is: Allstarkmenn
All = all, stark = strong, menn = male animate noun
So the name means "he who has all the strenght

So it is a quite hard and macho name, I guess kinda like "Rock"

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 07:43 
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Something I am more curious about when it comes to names is this.

How does your language deal with cases and names? Do they fall under the same paradigm as normal nouns or a different one?

I had the idea to have names split into 12 types by thier religion and then each of those had a declension paradigm for all cases, though I am not sure if I shall do it as I have no clue how natural it is.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 10:50 
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zelos wrote:
Something I am more curious about when it comes to names is this.

How does your language deal with cases and names? Do they fall under the same paradigm as normal nouns or a different one?

I had the idea to have names split into 12 types by thier religion and then each of those had a declension paradigm for all cases, though I am not sure if I shall do it as I have no clue how natural it is.



I just use prepostation where cases otherwise would be used. So if a name should be in the dative case, then I use a preposition which shows dative case. Same thing with other cases

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 19:48 
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In Star Trek enterprise they had a species that gained additional names as they aged so by the time they were senior it took ages to pronounce all names. Any oddities like this in anyone elses?

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 11:23 
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zelos wrote:
In Star Trek enterprise they had a species that gained additional names as they aged so by the time they were senior it took ages to pronounce all names. Any oddities like this in anyone elses?

I can't remember which one, but I'm certain this is based on a real world culture, though, much like our own names, I suspect not every name would be used in every circumstance.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 14:25 
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Lodhas wrote:
zelos wrote:
In Star Trek enterprise they had a species that gained additional names as they aged so by the time they were senior it took ages to pronounce all names. Any oddities like this in anyone elses?

I can't remember which one, but I'm certain this is based on a real world culture, though, much like our own names, I suspect not every name would be used in every circumstance.

I doubt it too, except maybe highly polite things

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