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PostPosted: Sun 26 Dec 2010, 04:59 
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PostPosted: Sun 26 Dec 2010, 05:00 
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Oops. Not semantic. Let's just stick with... prefixes and things.
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PostPosted: Sun 26 Dec 2010, 14:24 
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Pirka wrote:
Russian is actually a very dumb language verb-wise. I mean, how the heck does a verb's semantic makeup determine its perfectivity?

So do other Slavic languages.

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Dec 2010, 15:13 
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Xonen made some nice Russian lessons on the old board. I think there might be some by Mecislau on the ZBB as well.

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Dec 2010, 22:28 
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Milyamd wrote:
Pirka wrote:
Russian is actually a very dumb language verb-wise. I mean, how the heck does a verb's semantic makeup determine its perfectivity?

So do other Slavic languages.


I do realize that. It's a dumb system anyway.
Although... I do have more trouble with cases.

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Dec 2010, 08:05 
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Pirka wrote:
Russian is actually a very dumb language verb-wise. I mean, how the heck does a verb's semantic makeup determine its perfectivity?

What do you mean?

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Dec 2010, 09:33 
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I'm guessing: она писала "imp." compared to она написала "perf."

I think this type of imperfective - perfective distinction is perfectly fine.


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PostPosted: Tue 28 Dec 2010, 13:35 
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^In a sense, it's perfectly fine. Until the moment when you discover that the distinctions seem to be completely arbitrary on the learning level. You can have all the fun in the world with learning two separate forms for (relatively) the same verb.

Oh well. I'm not in a position to judge a language. Opinions, opinions.

Does anybody have any requests for an explanation of something they are confused about? I'll be happy to answer and probably could write a rough-ish lesson based on feedback.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 May 2011, 16:01 
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Pirka wrote:
^In a sense, it's perfectly fine. Until the moment when you discover that the distinctions seem to be completely arbitrary on the learning level. You can have all the fun in the world with learning two separate forms for (relatively) the same verb.


Actually, it's not only two forms (atleast in SerboCroatian):

писати - to write (i)
написати - to write (p)
исписати - to write (out) (p)
записати - to write (down) (p)
написивати - to write/be writing (i)
исписивати - to write/be writing (out) (i)
записивати - to write/be writing (down) (i)

ultimately derived from OCS word for letter (can't type out)

The brackets indicate the most frequent meaning and the aspect: i - for imperfective aspect, p - for perfective aspect. I'm not sure these are all the forms and there may be and additional sever or eight from "write" =3

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PostPosted: Tue 17 May 2011, 19:19 
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Pirka wrote:
^In a sense, it's perfectly fine. Until the moment when you discover that the distinctions seem to be completely arbitrary on the learning level. You can have all the fun in the world with learning two separate forms for (relatively) the same verb.

That and all of the morphemes kill my mind.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 May 2011, 03:43 
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As I'm a rusty native speaker, I can help but won't be of much help teaching, 'cause I never learned to write properly. :P


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Nov 2011, 07:15 
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Тебе стоит научиться! Читай побольше книг! [:D] (Я на самом деле очень мало читаю, но граммата меня почему-то не покидает. Можно справиться и без книжек. [:P] )

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