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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Sat 21 Jan 2012, 18:59 
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Hiw is the only Austronesian language whose consonant inventory includes a prestopped velar lateral approximant /g​͡ʟ/; this complex segment is the only liquid of the language.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Sat 21 Jan 2012, 21:50 
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Gilbertese.

10 consonants (which 3 are velarized bilabials) and 10 vowels (usual a, e, i, o, u stuff, long and short)


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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Tue 24 Jan 2012, 10:59 
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Visinoid wrote:
Gilbertese.

10 consonants (which 3 are velarized bilabials) and 10 vowels (usual a, e, i, o, u stuff, long and short)


"Thank you" in Kiribati (Gilbertese) sounds like a shortening of Irish "go raibh maith agat".

Kiribati: /ko ɾapβˠa/
Irish: /go ɾˠɛvʲ/

Coincidence? Or Irish conspiracy? You decide.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Tue 24 Jan 2012, 11:19 
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Bristel wrote:
"Thank you" in Kiribati (Gilbertese) sounds like a shortening of Irish "go raibh maith agat".

Kiribati: /ko ɾapβˠa/
Irish: /go ɾˠɛvʲ/

Coincidence? Or Irish conspiracy? You decide.

That means the languages are obviously related and must belong to the Kelto-Kiribatian macrofamily! [O.O]


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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Tue 24 Jan 2012, 11:26 
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Avo wrote:
Bristel wrote:
"Thank you" in Kiribati (Gilbertese) sounds like a shortening of Irish "go raibh maith agat".

Kiribati: /ko ɾapβˠa/
Irish: /go ɾˠɛvʲ/

Coincidence? Or Irish conspiracy? You decide.

That means the languages are obviously related and must belong to the Kelto-Kiribatian macrofamily! [O.O]


*faints*

I'm much more interested in the Celtic side, so you work on the Kiribati side.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Tue 24 Jan 2012, 18:08 
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Bristel wrote:
"Thank you" in Kiribati (Gilbertese) sounds like a shortening of Irish "go raibh maith agat".

Kiribati: /ko ɾapβˠa/
Irish: /go ɾˠɛvʲ/

Coincidence? Or Irish conspiracy? You decide.

Are you certain? I was made to understand that Irish orthography was reformed to remove as many silent letters as possible.
I would have read this as [go reβ mei̯‿ɐ.gət̪]
Edit: Silly mistakes.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Wed 25 Jan 2012, 07:24 
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Lodhas wrote:
Bristel wrote:
"Thank you" in Kiribati (Gilbertese) sounds like a shortening of Irish "go raibh maith agat".

Kiribati: /ko ɾapβˠa/
Irish: /go ɾˠɛvʲ/

Coincidence? Or Irish conspiracy? You decide.

Are you certain? I was made to understand that Irish orthography was reformed to remove as many silent letters as possible.
I would have read this as [go reβ mei̯‿ɐg.ət̪]


No, it's still a fucked up orthography, but more streamlined than 100+ years ago, I believe.

I am certain of the pronunciation though.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Wed 25 Jan 2012, 07:54 
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Bristel wrote:

Kiribati: /ko ɾapβˠa/


Is it not /ko ɾapˠa/ [ko ɾɑpˠɑ]? Should the fricative be there?

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Wed 25 Jan 2012, 08:25 
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xingoxa wrote:
Bristel wrote:

Kiribati: /ko ɾapβˠa/


Is it not /ko ɾapˠa/ [ko ɾɑpˠɑ]? Should the fricative be there?


The spelling is <ko rabwa>, <w> is /βˠ/.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Wed 25 Jan 2012, 16:55 
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Bristel wrote:
No, it's still a fucked up orthography, but more streamlined than 100+ years ago, I believe.

I am certain of the pronunciation though.

Huh, there you go. It just seems odd for Gaelic orthography to be more transparent than Irish.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Wed 25 Jan 2012, 17:04 
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Bristel wrote:

The spelling is <ko rabwa>, <w> is /βˠ/.


But isn't <bw> /pˠ/ ?

The only consonant clusters that are allowed in Gilbertese are, AFAIK, nasal+C. Never a stop + fricative.

<bwa> may also be spelt <b'a>, as in this tutorial.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 03:22 
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xingoxa wrote:
Bristel wrote:

The spelling is <ko rabwa>, <w> is /βˠ/.


But isn't <bw> /pˠ/ ?

The only consonant clusters that are allowed in Gilbertese are, AFAIK, nasal+C. Never a stop + fricative.

<bwa> may also be spelt <b'a>, as in this tutorial.


Oh, I must have gotten something confused then.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Fri 03 Feb 2012, 22:11 
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Omie's phonology is pretty funky.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Fri 03 Feb 2012, 23:17 
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Solarius wrote:
Omie's phonology is pretty funky.

I'm looking at the pdf now, and it doesn't seem that strange. I think most of the apparent weirdness comes from phonemes with a wide variety of phonetic realizations being "assigned" phonemic defaults that look weird on the surface. For example, the language has /dz\/, but no voiceless equivalent. But if you scroll down you see that /s/ stands in for [s, S, ts, and tS]. In other words, the voiced and voiceless pairs exist phonetically, but depending on how you assign the phonemes, it might look otherwise. Another example is /pp\/, which looks odd since there's no /p/ by itself. But if you pay attention you'll see that /pp\/ is just a slightly aberrant pronunciation of /p_h/, which matches the group /k_h/ and /t_h/.


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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb 2012, 15:33 
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Bristel wrote:
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But isn't <bw> /pˠ/ ?

The only consonant clusters that are allowed in Gilbertese are, AFAIK, nasal+C. Never a stop + fricative.

<bwa> may also be spelt <b'a>, as in this tutorial.


Oh, I must have gotten something confused then.


I think the Wikipedia page only lists the monographs (how the letters are pronounced in isolation).

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Mon 20 Feb 2012, 19:43 
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This is awesome. I was just looking at Australian languages on Wikipedia, and apparently the Enindhilyagwa language has 5 noun classes: human male, non-human male, female... and inanimate lustrous, and inanimate non-lustrous.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
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My favourite when it comes to noun-classes is the Andi language (spoken somewhere in the Caucasus), which has a separate noun-class for insects. (I think it's like "men - women - animals - things - insects", or something like that.)

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012, 04:35 
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The closest I've gotten was Walloon and if you count extinct languages-Aeqian. Even Gothic is more well-known.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012, 05:45 
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xingoxa wrote:
My favourite when it comes to noun-classes is the Andi language (spoken somewhere in the Caucasus), which has a separate noun-class for insects. (I think it's like "men - women - animals - things - insects", or something like that.)

That's how you know you don't want to live there.


edit: It is like some northern Swedish varieties which has separate words for small annoying, flying things.

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 Post subject: Re: Obscure Natlangs
PostPosted: Sat 31 Mar 2012, 00:04 
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It is like some northern Swedish varieties which has separate words for small annoying, flying things.


English has a word for that, too: bug. Or do those Swedish dialects have even more words for different varieties of annoying flying things? I can think of multiple kinds of bugs that might need separate generic words -- bugs that make a lot of noise, bugs that circulate around lights, bugs that bang into walls and make that gross tapping sound, bugs that somehow turn up in your house even in the winter...

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