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CMunk
PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb 2012, 18:23 
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Let me just pick a nit: Shouldn't the vowels be long?

Let me counter your nitpick with a: why should they?

They feel long in my pronunciation. Just like <rule> /ru:l/ as opposed to <full> /fUl/.

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If I'm not mistaken, General American (or perhaps even most Americal dialects), makes a distinction of quality rather than length.

That, may be it. I'm so used to length distinction in Danish, I might be over-analyzing.

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The length difference exists but is not contrastive.

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Bianca lies about forgetting her words of wisdom! She's never had words of wisdom! RABBLE RABBLE!

And I had wisdom when we last recorded which will be in a week or two for you guys.

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The length difference exists but is not contrastive.

As I thought then. It's pretty much a different school of transcription, that whole no length vs. length thingy, even if it isn't contrastive.

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It's a matter of specificity. In English adding the length is not necessary because some vowels are always long and some are always short. It's not wrong to specify the length, but I generally don't bother.

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Ossicone wrote:
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Bianca lies about forgetting her words of wisdom! She's never had words of wisdom! RABBLE RABBLE!

And I had wisdom when we last recorded which will be in a week or two for you guys.

We'll see about that...

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Ossicone wrote:
It's a matter of specificity. In English adding the length is not necessary because some vowels are always long and some are always short. It's not wrong to specify the length, but I generally don't bother.

It seems to be more of an American practice though.

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Thakowsaizmu wrote:
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At least i use /dʒ/ in that case, not unaspirated. And you're right, it depends on how well people know the language in question (I pronounced Jules Verne as [jules ʋerne] when i was little and didn't know how to pronounce it in french).


Are you a native English speaker? Am I mistaken in thinking that pretty much all English speakers pronounce "Jules Verne" the way you pronounced it as a kid and not the way it's supposed to be pronounced in French?

I've always heard /ʤulz ve˞n/ in English.


This is the way I said it as a kid.

/d͡ʒulz vɝn/ Not that much different for me.


Sorry, my fault. I kind of ignored the IPA when I first posted and now that I'm looking at it, obviously /jules ʋerne/ is not the way an English speaker would pronounce "Jules Verne" under any circumstances. What I should have said is "Am I mistaken in thinking that pretty much all English speakers pronounce 'Jules Verne' in some kind of phonetically Englishy way and not the way it's supposed to be pronounced in French?" I don't think I've ever heard an English speaker pronounce the name any way other than /ʤulz ve˞n/ or something similar, and honestly, if I were to hear someone say it in English with the front rounded vowel, I would probably think they were being a twit.

Anyway, I'm going to go hide in a corner now and try to learn IPA again.

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It seems to be more of an American practice though.


Yeah, I also got the feeling that it's quite dialect-dependent.

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Conlangery #37: Phonological Processes

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Conlangery #37: Phonological Processes


Just when i was planning on finally writing a presentation for school which i should've written a week ago. [:D]

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This episode also has a very special guest. [:D]

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Oop, time to pop onto iTunes and download it.

'Tis always good to have something informational playing in the background, even when you're not actually listening to it.

EDIT: Ooh! Aszie's here! How Swedishly exciting!

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Ah, I've been waiting for this [:D]! I'll listen to it tonight.

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Well that was the first podcast I listened to all the way through and it was thoroughly enjoyable. [:D]

And that grammar has given me so much inspiration for my a posteriori langs...

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CrazyEttin wrote:
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Conlangery #37: Phonological Processes


Just when i was planning on finally writing a presentation for school which i should've written a week ago. [:D]

That's why I don't plan anything on Mondays.

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Why does Aszev sound like Batman?

Wait... has anyone ever seen Aszev and Batman at the same time..?

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Feb 2012, 17:57 
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No! Never stop the podcast!

More seriously, I liked this episode a lot. I'm now writing a post on phonological processes in Alife.

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Why does Aszev sound like Batman?

Wait... has anyone ever seen Aszev and Batman at the same time..?

Haven't seen Bruce Wayne with them either..

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CMunk wrote:
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Why does Aszev sound like Batman?

Wait... has anyone ever seen Aszev and Batman at the same time..?

Haven't seen Bruce Wayne with them either..


ASZEV IS THE DARK KNIGHT!

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CrazyEttin wrote:
CMunk wrote:
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Why does Aszev sound like Batman?

Wait... has anyone ever seen Aszev and Batman at the same time..?

Haven't seen Bruce Wayne with them either..


ASZEV IS THE DARK KNIGHT!

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This is news...?

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