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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Mon 26 Mar 2012, 21:03 
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Subordinate clauses whose tenses are relative to the main one.

Adari's subordinate clauses have tenses, but they are not set in stone snd are in fact relative to the main clause's tense.

For example, if a main clause is in the past, and its subordinate clause in the present, the subordnate clause actually refers to the past as well. If the main clause is in the future, and the subordinate clause is in the past, then the subordinate refers to the present, actually. Both clauses in the past would mean that the subordinate was in the past of the past (in other words, sinilar to Latin's pluperfect).

Basically, Adari tenses can be arranged on a line: Past--Present--Future. For subordinate clauses, their tense is more along the lines of "going back one tense, staying in the same time, going foward one tense".

You may notice that this means that a sentence referring to the past and the future is impossible in Adari: the sentence "If he did it, we will be in trouble" wouldn't be possible. But it is, in an odd way. Both "If he did it, we will be in trouble" and "If he did it, we are in trouble" would both translate to the exact same sentence in Adari. Context must be used to figure it out.

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Mon 26 Mar 2012, 21:18 
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Double post, I know, but I got another idea.

I have the idea of having NO verbs in Adari express aspect. They express just tense and mood. How do Azenians express aspect then? A style very similar to what I just described above is used. The verb is used with "Ariça" (to be) for motion verbs or Noiça (to do) for action verbs. The main erb is kept in the infinitive (infinitives in Adari mark for tense as well) and use the auxillary gerb as a normal one. Various combinations of tenses can mean different aspects:

The main verb in the present with the auxillary in the future is present progressive/imperfect. The main verb in the past and the auxillary in the present would be past imperfect. Both verbs in the Future would be future imperfect

Main verb in the present and auxillary in the past would be present perfect, while both in the past would be past perfect.

There's other combinations available, obviously, but I'm working out all the different possibilities.

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012, 10:43 
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Chagen, that's what I did with Ríhannen. Basicly, there are two sets of tenses, absolute and relative. The absolute set is used in main clauses; the relative set is used in subordinate clauses and has the meaning before/simultaneously/after the main action depending on the tense chosen.

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012, 16:39 
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I'm thinking of having Adari scrap all/nearly all verbal conjugation related to number. That mogut make it too Japanese, though.

Pro-drop is cool, but I'm not feeling it for this lang.

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012, 17:47 
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An idea popped into my head today about a 'Representative' number, where someone speaks on behalf of others.

For example, if a Prime Minister were to attend a summit and say 'We of X country believe Y,' the 'We' would be in this person/number/something.

It would differ from your bog standard 3PP as it's used when you're not talking to the 'We'.

Has this been used before?

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012, 18:34 
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testyal1 wrote:
An idea popped into my head today about a 'Representative' number, where someone speaks on behalf of others.
For example, if a Prime Minister were to attend a summit and say 'We of X country believe Y,' the 'We' would be in this person/number/something.
It would differ from your bog standard 3PP as it's used when you're not talking to the 'We'.
Has this been used before?

It looks to me a bit like an associative plural; might it be?

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012, 19:52 
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eldin raigmore wrote:
testyal1 wrote:
An idea popped into my head today about a 'Representative' number, where someone speaks on behalf of others.
For example, if a Prime Minister were to attend a summit and say 'We of X country believe Y,' the 'We' would be in this person/number/something.
It would differ from your bog standard 3PP as it's used when you're not talking to the 'We'.
Has this been used before?

It looks to me a bit like an associative plural; might it be?

You know, I think you might be right. I'll have to remember that.

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012, 20:33 
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eldin raigmore wrote:
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patient before agent and one a prefix, other a suffix
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If you could put the patient before the agent, and make the patient be a suffix and the agent be a prefix, I'd very much like to see it.

I would too because that interpretation is impossible.

Can I get a tie-breaker?

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Wed 28 Mar 2012, 09:23 
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MrKrov wrote:
Can I get a tie-breaker?

I think having one a prefix and the other a suffix sounds most interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr 2012, 16:25 
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Should I add an interesting case irregularity?

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr 2012, 22:50 
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Solarius wrote:
Should I add an interesting case irregularity?

Do you have cases in your lang?
What do you mean by irregularity?
I suppose most of time irregulariti is good, and if it's even interesting, wow.


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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr 2012, 23:12 
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Solarius wrote:
Should I add an interesting case irregularity?

Do you have some case laxative?

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2012, 09:22 
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Jon mii rjom njoskjò jùsxo skjo, ʒo ònno ʃìu om faj ʃìurowojn.
Ive been thinking to create a new conlang, in which all words are monosyllabic.

njòsxo do ʃìurow/syllable structure:
(C1)C2C3V(C4)

C1= f ʃ s x
C2= p b t d k g m n ts dz tʃ dʒ Ø
C3= v r l Ø
C4= t p k s ʃ f n m z v ʒ
V=(j or w) + ɑ ɒ æ ɛ œ i u ø ɨ ɤ + (ː) + (j or w)
C1 djo C4 faj rej sèjso mifajx djo ʃòriifajx
C1 and C4 will be prefixes and suffixes respectively

Nu jon rjow pudè on?
Should I go for it?


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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 17:17 
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Diminutives and emphatics on verbs:

Sufort: "to jump"
Sufirort: "to hop" (diminutive )
Sufweort: "to leap" (emphatic)

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 22:24 
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Chagen wrote:
Diminutives and emphatics on verbs:

Sufort: "to jump"
Sufirort: "to hop" (diminutive )
Sufweort: "to leap" (emphatic)


Yay!

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 23:12 
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Chagen wrote:
Diminutives and emphatics on verbs:

Sufort: "to jump"
Sufirort: "to hop" (diminutive )
Sufweort: "to leap" (emphatic)


Yay!

How are formed? Prefixes? Suffixes? Some other kind of -fixes?

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Mon 14 May 2012, 15:52 
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Ogonek or tilde in nasalization?

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Solarius wrote:
Ogonek or tilde in nasalization?


Tilde. Only I get to use ogoneks.

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
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Should I throw in pharyngeals in one of my conlangs?

I was thinking of having them in either Mii or Nibmel.

Mii has only 9 phonemes:

/a i o p t k m n l/, so it could need some more. I could have <h> representing either a voiced or a voiceless pharyngeal.

Nibmel has more phonemes - a seven-vowel system, ejectives, contrastive aspiration, and some other stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Yay or Nay?
PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 02:02 
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Xing wrote:
Should I throw in pharyngeals in one of my conlangs?

I was thinking of having them in either Mii or Nibmel.

Mii has only 9 phonemes:

/a i o p t k m n l/, so it could need some more. I could have <h> representing either a voiced or a voiceless pharyngeal.

Nibmel has more phonemes - a seven-vowel system, ejectives, contrastive aspiration, and some other stuff.

Yes, although you should make them epiglottals.

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