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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 07:40 
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I am almost certain this has been thought of or do exist so here I'll explain the phonetic writing system I came up with, anyone know of the real one if there is any? whats it called?

I am adding some history of how I imagen it went just to give life and justify things.

A syllabary is based on a syllable structure of CV in most if not all cases.
Abugidas are based on the same but the vowel can be supressed.

My idea uses the syllable structure of CVC as the base, the original language had a CVC structure and hence it became the base for it.

In this either consonant could be supressed by a diatric so it became either CV or VC for which ever purpose they needed. and they had a diatric to indicate which kind of vowel it was, the glyph itself only represented CC but the diatric told which vowel it was with the exception of the inherent expected vowel and because that would fit all syllables there was no need to supress the acctual vowel.

A later development was adding another dimension to the vowel diatric, this aroused as the language syllable went from CVC to CCVCC, The vowels location could be altered so it went from CVC to VCC or CCV, but also the option to leave it out entirely so it was simply CC.

This is the idea / fictional history I have for a script system of phonetical nature I came up with, thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 09:10 
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Having syllablic glyphs with diacritics determining the vowel is the basis of Devanagari script. It's not an exact match, but it shares some features. [:S]


Also, you used the word "diatric" a lot, which isn't a word; I think what you're trying to say is "diacritic". I would have thought this was a typo, but you used it repeatedly, so maybe you simply didn't know the correct spelling and/or pronunciation?


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 10:50 
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zelos wrote:

A syllabary is based on a syllable structure of CV in most if not all cases.
Abugidas are based on the same but the vowel can be supressed.

My idea uses the syllable structure of CVC as the base, the original language had a CVC structure and hence it became the base for it.


The primary difference between a syllabary and an abugida is that in a syllabary, the glyphs are primitive. You can't separate a 'consonant part' from a 'vowel part'. In an abugida, the glyphs are composed of a 'consonant part' (forming the main part or 'body' of the glyph) and a 'vowel part' (often some diacritic or minor modification of the vowel). There is nothing inherent in a syllabary that says you can't use syllabaries even for language with many complex syllables, though it would require a larger number of glyphs.

How are the glyphs built up in your language? How many possible CVC syllables are there, which would require separate glyphs?

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 11:00 
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Orion113 wrote:
Having syllablic glyphs with diacritics determining the vowel is the basis of Devanagari script. It's not an exact match, but it shares some features. [:S]


Also, you used the word "diatric" a lot, which isn't a word; I think what you're trying to say is "diacritic". I would have thought this was a typo, but you used it repeatedly, so maybe you simply didn't know the correct spelling and/or pronunciation?


Wrong spelling xD I am trying to fix it but the old one is stuck hard in my brain.

But I know it bear some resamblance to both but the double consonant nature makes me want to think of it as a new system :P

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How are the glyphs built up in your language? How many possible CVC syllables are there, which would require separate glyphs?

In its most basic form it would require 13*13=169 CVC glyphs, though I am probably doing it a bit more complex and might go as high as 20*20.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 11:05 
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zelos wrote:
In its most basic form it would require 13*13=169 CVC glyphs, though I am probably doing it a bit more complex and might go as high as 20*20.


But a CVC syllable contains three elements, not two.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 12:25 
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xingoxa wrote:
zelos wrote:
In its most basic form it would require 13*13=169 CVC glyphs, though I am probably doing it a bit more complex and might go as high as 20*20.


But a CVC syllable contains three elements, not two.


If you read what I said earlier the vowel is treated in the same manner as it is for Abugidas so it carries no weight in the symbol design.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 13:09 
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zelos wrote:

If you read what I said earlier the vowel is treated in the same manner as it is for Abugidas so it carries no weight in the symbol design.


Sorry, I don't read it carefully enough...

You have any samples of your script? (Or would you mind posting them when you have?)

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 15:12 
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xingoxa wrote:
zelos wrote:

If you read what I said earlier the vowel is treated in the same manner as it is for Abugidas so it carries no weight in the symbol design.


Sorry, I don't read it carefully enough...

You have any samples of your script? (Or would you mind posting them when you have?)

I do not have one but I will be happy to once I have the acctual script ready! I am working on the many grapehemes, but does anyone have any idea of wether there is something liek this or if its new?

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 15:23 
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zelos wrote:
.... does anyone have any idea of wether there is something liek this or if its new?

Emperor Sejong's Hangeul.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/254335/Hangul
http://langintro.com/kintro/toc.htm
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/korean.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvcKYW5ustw

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr 2012, 15:48 
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eldin raigmore wrote:

Yeeaahh....no Hangul isn't even close in this structure. its Feautral this is not nadi t deals with single consonants, not dual.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2012, 14:12 
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The best name I have found for it otehr than pulling one out of my ass is "Bi-Consonantal Abugida"

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