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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 19:28 
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Did you realize some things from linguistics before you seriously started getting interested in it?

  • I found voiceness pairs in czech.
  • But later I realized than [ɦ] and [x] are not real voiceness pair.
  • I "invented" a new letter - it was [ŋ].
  • I found coincidence between [b], [p], [v], [f].
  • I found coincidence between [p], [t], [k].
  • I found coincidence between [m], [n], [ɲ]. (Who didn't? [:D])
  • I found coincidence between [c], [ɟ], [ɲ] and slovak [ʎ].
  • I thought [i] is somehow different form other vowel and maybe it should be not a vowel.
  • I found [ɪ] and [iː] are somehow different.
  • I made an amateur phonetics alphabet, containing czech sounds + [ç], [ʝ], [ʔ], [ə], [θ], [ð]. This was shortly before being interested in phonetics. I don't remeber it very well, maybe I'll find it somewhere later.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 20:23 
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Oh yes! When I was in school, grade 2 or so, I found that the vowels in Swedish could sort of be arranged in a circle, A-Ä-E-I-Y-U-O-Å and A again. But I did think the Ö was a bit off though, never really knew where to put that one. Now I know that it's because of roundings and whatnot. But I thought it was kinda cool when I realized that my circle shared much in common with the cardinal vowels of the IPA vowel chart thingy. I felt like a master phonetician already.

But later also stuff like voiced pairs and other MoA and PoA that consonants share. I still have no idea of how to transcribe my R's though. That will remain a mystery till the end of days.


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 23:24 
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I worked out some linguo-labial stops and other consonants at age 8 or 9.
Because of something my father said, I found out that vowel closeness, vowel frontness, and vowel roundedness, could be independent of one another; and worked out close and mid front and back rounded and unrounded vowels. I don't think I had any central vowels except open rounded and unrounded ones, nor any open vowels except central rounded and unrounded ones.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012, 00:33 
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I was a big fan of writing systems when I was younger, but at that time I didn't conlang, so it was mostly cryptography based on the sounds of the dialects I spoke. Could say it gave me a start in phonetics and phonology though, and a taste for dialectology.


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012, 01:12 
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I was pretty aware of some discrepancies of English orthography vs. English phonetics simply because I already knew Vietnamese. In particular, I could compare the vowels - English had only 5 written vowels, yet it had a lot of different sounds I could hear out. That's why my first conlangs, while English clones, did recognize the difference between various vowels.

Since I knew Vietnamese I also knew about some phonemes most English speakers wouldn't know of, such as /x/. I also knew that /ŋ/ was its own sound and not a /ng/ cluster, since Vietnamese had it. I remember one incident years ago when I was talking about Vietnamese with some kids at my school, when one guy (who wasn't my friend... not that it matters) was like "how the hell can you have ng at the beginning of a word? That's impossible." I tried to explain it to him but he just wouldn't get it.

Oh well.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012, 13:18 
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When I was 9,I compared English and Croatian vowels and found that most of them are similar.I even grouped them in groups.I even gave them names like weak i for [ɪ].
I have played with voiced and voiceless consonants so I have discovered [dz ɣ m̥ n̥ ɲ̥ j˳ ɾ˳ ʋ˳](I pronounce Croatian r as a flap because I cannot do a [r]).
I discovered [ɕ ʑ ʁ].


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