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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 02:08 
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Chagen wrote:
1: Not gonna happen. Just look at how much training and licensing you need to get a simple Pilot's license in real life. You cannot simple trust modern day average civilians with a personal aircraft. Also a world without cars is not a world I want to live in.

2: Love Potions are basically liquid rape, so....


I'm not asking if it's a place you'd want to live, I'm asking you to think about the interesting consequences of these factors.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 02:43 
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I'm not asking if it's a place you'd want to live,


You took one part of my post and railed against that. I did think about the consequences. Personal flying transportation on a mass scale is virtually impossible.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 03:07 
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Chagen wrote:
You took one part of my post and railed against that. I did think about the consequences. Personal flying transportation on a mass scale is virtually impossible.


Why? What else would have to change to make it possible?

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 03:32 
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It takes an immense amount of skill to pilot an airplane. They have tons of controls and even the simplest will take at least 2 years to get a license. I just read a book on mechanical disasters, and nearly half of all 20+ disasters in that book were on airplanes.

Planes are not toys. They're flying death machines and require an extreme amount of skill to pilot them.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 04:12 
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Yet we manage to drive around in giant hunks of metal at 90+ miles per hour on the highways. How does that work?

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 05:33 
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A car is far safer than a plane, given how

1. It isn't in the air constantly and in constant danger of possibly tilting and hitting the ground

2. It's going much slower

3. It can only move in two dimensions rather than 3 like a plane

And a bunch more I don't feel like saying.

Cars are not dangerous death machines AT FUCKING ALL. Anyone who says so is so hilariously ignorant it's almost sad.

(Yes, I like cars. Yes, I'm sick of eco-nazis acting like they're the scum of humanity when they actually represent our limitless ingenuity)

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 05:45 
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Aren't you arguing our ingenuity does in face have a limit by saying we couldn't possibly make "Personal flying transportation" safe?

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 05:55 
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Chagen wrote:
A car is far safer than a plane, given how

1. It isn't in the air constantly and in constant danger of possibly tilting and hitting the ground

2. It's going much slower

3. It can only move in two dimensions rather than 3 like a plane

And a bunch more I don't feel like saying.

Cars are not dangerous death machines AT FUCKING ALL. Anyone who says so is so hilariously ignorant it's almost sad.

(Yes, I like cars. Yes, I'm sick of eco-nazis acting like they're the scum of humanity when they actually represent our limitless ingenuity)




All this from the guy who wants to throw in giant fighting mecha into his conworld. Where's your imagination?

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 06:04 
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I have several worlds, and the main three are higher tech (spaceflight). One of those societies, however, has relatively low tech level on its homeworld. I do have a low tech society, also the speakers of my isolating lang. Higher tech societies are easier to pull off for me.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 09:32 
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Chagen wrote:
Cars are not dangerous death machines AT FUCKING ALL. Anyone who says so is so hilariously ignorant it's almost sad.

Very sad, yes.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 17:00 
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Yes, people die in cars. People also die in their own houses. You can take your logic and declare anything a dangerous death machine.

Cars have had nearly 100 years to perfect themselves. We have everything from seatbelts to shift locks to airbags to lessen injury in accidents. Even the very suspension of most production automobiles are designed to understeer, preventing dangerous oversteer that could cause an accident. The very bodies themselves are designed to crumple as much as possible so energy in a crash goes into the body panelling and not the people inside. You should see the accidents pro racers get into--and how they rarely sustain injuries.

Sorry for sounding like you kicked my dog, but I'm having a bad day and I don't like critisism of cars that much. They're not as terrible as people make them out to be.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 22:55 
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Chagen wrote:
2: Love Potions are basically liquid rape, so....

Depends on whether the rapist slips it to the victim without the victim's knowledge and/or consent, or whether the affected person takes it themselves on purpose to make an act they intend to do more fun. In other words, Rohypnol or GHB (as usually used) is rape, Viagra or Cialis (as usually used) is not.




As for the question in the thread title, viz. "Which do you prefer for your world: low tech or higher tech?":

I kind of like several different tech-levels.

My main conworld/conculture starts with the arrival of humans and goes on 'til their development of interstellar travel and trade/diplomacy.

That gives me scope for pretty much anything.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 23:48 
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Chagen wrote:
Yes, people die in cars. People also die in their own houses. You can take your logic and declare anything a dangerous death machine.

Cars have had nearly 100 years to perfect themselves. We have everything from seatbelts to shift locks to airbags to lessen injury in accidents. Even the very suspension of most production automobiles are designed to understeer, preventing dangerous oversteer that could cause an accident. The very bodies themselves are designed to crumple as much as possible so energy in a crash goes into the body panelling and not the people inside. You should see the accidents pro racers get into--and how they rarely sustain injuries.

Sorry for sounding like you kicked my dog, but I'm having a bad day and I don't like critisism of cars that much. They're not as terrible as people make them out to be.


Ahh, love this old fallacy. "Anything with a social cost higher than zero should be banned and gotten rid of, no matter how much of a benefit it provides. Therefore, this thing X I like must be proven to have zero cost or downsides in order to justify keeping it around!"

Protip: The benefits cars provide far, far outweigh their costs, but this does not mean the costs don't exist. You're barking up the wrong tree here.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 00:02 
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Micamo wrote:

Ahh, love this old fallacy. "Anything with a social cost higher than zero should be banned and gotten rid of, no matter how much of a benefit it provides. Therefore, this thing X I like must be proven to have zero cost or downsides in order to justify keeping it around!"

Protip: The benefits cars provide far, far outweigh their costs, but this does not mean the costs don't exist. You're barking up the wrong tree here.



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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 07:23 
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Here is a thing for everyone that complains about anything that is dangerous.

Guys, take a guess what the most dangerous thing you do every day? Living.

By living you are everyday exposing yourself to the threat of death.

So clearly the logical thing to do to ensure people won't have that threat to them is to kill everyone.


Of course this is all highly fallacious and only intended as humour, but it's to illustrate that things are dangerous, get over it.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 07:48 
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zelos wrote:
things are dangerous, get over it.

Or, you know, find equally effective but less-dangerous alternatives. There's always that.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 09:21 
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Trailsend wrote:
zelos wrote:
things are dangerous, get over it.

Or, you know, find equally effective but less-dangerous alternatives. There's always that.


that is a good idea, but life is still dangerous so get over it :P

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 10:23 
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zelos wrote:
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zelos wrote:
things are dangerous, get over it.

Or, you know, find equally effective but less-dangerous alternatives. There's always that.


that is a good idea, but life is still dangerous so get over it :P

You're still being highly fallacious for the purpose of humor, right? Not as an actual point?

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 19:33 
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Trailsend wrote:
zelos wrote:
Trailsend wrote:
zelos wrote:
things are dangerous, get over it.

Or, you know, find equally effective but less-dangerous alternatives. There's always that.


that is a good idea, but life is still dangerous so get over it :P

You're still being highly fallacious for the purpose of humor, right? Not as an actual point?

I am being fallacious for humour effect which I use in turn to get to a point.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 20:42 
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An interesting rhetorical strategy, but if you start with a fallacy, your point is unsound, humorous or otherwise.


Anyway.

I don't really have a preference; there are just as many possibilities for high-tech or low-tech conworlds, and I especially have fun with worlds that have a mix. Domhantir is actually pretty high-tech given the capabilities of various magic arts, but a lot of the places where I do most of my development (like Feayra) are very low tech.

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