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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2012, 16:16 
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I'm not sure what 'too smooth' means, but I recall the three series sounding to me like voiced, unaspirated, and aspirated, although I can't remember which one was which; and there's also the chart here, which says Korean contrasts tenuis, mildly aspirated, and strongly aspirated stops. I've also seen Korean come up in the context of aspirated fricatives, but it'd take some digging to find those papers again.

Of course, stiff voice and faucalized voice have also been claimed for the Korean fortis series, so nobody really knows what's going on with them.


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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2012, 19:25 
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The Phonology of Northwest Bermudan

The Phonemic Vowel Inventory
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i u
ʊ̈
e əɵ o
ɛ ʌ
a

ɪ̈ exists in loanwords from other dialects.

Now, here is the Allophonic Inventory. Vowels which are part of one phoneme are colored the same.:
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i y ɨ ʉ u
ɪ ʏ ɪ̈ ʊ̈
e ø ə ɵ o
ɛ ɜ ɞ ʌ
a

The Phonemic Consonant Inventory
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p t k kʷ ʔ t͡s t͡ʃ f s ʃ h m n ŋ ʋ l j w


Phonontactics
The Basic Bermudan Syllable structure is (C)V(V)(V)(C). /p/, /f/, and /s/ cannot occur in the coda, and /ŋ/ can only occur in the coda (when behaving as a consonant).
/m n ŋ l/ are syllabic consonants. If they are the nucleus, then they cannot be in any diphthong.

Tone
Bermudan has a two tone system, which contrasts high and low tone.

Stress
Bermudan has very unpredicatable stress patterns. Historically, Bermudan had rigorously initial stress, but due to major English influence, stress now follows English like patterns for many (although not all) words.

Prosody
Bermudan has several important prosodic patterns.
-Words and topics are frequently emphasized. When this occurs, vowels are lengthened and become less centered.
-In interrogative clauses, the final word is said with a rising pitch.

Orthography
Bermudan has two orthographies. The first was designed by missionaries in the 1800s, the second by the Bermuda Language Institute in 1953.

The Missionary Orthography
General Notes: The Missionary Orthography is very phonetic, with the exception of some high vowels, and imitates English spelling rules.
/i y ɪ ʏ e ø ə ɵ ɛ ɜ ɞ a ʌ o u/<ee öö i y ei ö ë ëo e ö er or a u o oo>
Diphtongs are usually not separated, creating ambiguity between /ɛ/+/ɪ/ and /e/. If necessary, a apostrophe can be used. A hiatus written with V-V.
/p t k kʷ ʔ t͡s t͡ʃ f s ʃ h m n ŋ ʋ l j w/<p t k kw q c ch f s sh h m n ng v l j w>
The digraphs <kw ch sh ng> are often written as <'k 'c 's 'g> intervocally and finally

The Institute Orthography
/i ʊ̈ e ə ɵ ɛ a ʌ o u/<i ü e ë ö y a v o u>
ɪ̈ does not exist in this dialect,but is written as i in the dialects that have it.
/p t k kʷ ʔ t͡s t͡ʃ f s ʃ h m n ŋ ʋ l j w/<p t k q ' c ch f s sh h m n ng v l j w>
<ch sh ng> can be shortened to <'c 's 'g>

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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2012, 19:38 
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Oh, and I forgot: Both orthographies represent the low tone with a <b> after the vowel.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 19:15 
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Uvularization.

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PostPosted: Sat 05 May 2012, 15:52 
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The phonology of Siberian Dwarvish:

Plosive: /p t k/ <p t c>
Fricative: /h̪͆ s ɬ ʂ h/ <x s ll sh h>
Nasal: /m n ŋ/ <m n g>
Tap: /ɾ/ <r>
Allophonic consonants: [z ʐ l] <z zh l>

Vowels: /i e ə̃ a o/ <i e y a o>
Diphthongs: /e̯a eo̯ ai̯ ao̯ oi̯ o̯e o̯a/ <ea eo ai ao oi oe oa>

Allophony:
Voiceless /s ʂ/ are voiced to [z ʐ] respectively between vowels. This is shown in the spelling.
/ɾ/ is realized as [l] in the syllable coda. This is also shown in the spelling.

Notes:
/h̪͆/ is a voiceless bidental non-sibilant fricative.
/p t k/ are always unaspirated.
/e ə̃ o/ are true mid vowels.
/a/ is a fully central vowel.

Phonotactics:
Syllable structure is CV(C). Morpheme can be from one to three syllables in length. The consonants /s ʂ ɾ/ do not begin a morpheme. /p t k h/ are restricted to the syllable onset.

Stress:
Stress is weak and is on the first syllable of a word.

Thank you for taking the time to view my language's phonology. Please let me know if you see anything odd or unnaturalistic about it.


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PostPosted: Sat 05 May 2012, 16:14 
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For Maxédri,
/ i ɛ e ɑ a æ ø ɔ o u y/
/b p f v w t d ð θ r ɾ ɹ ɡ k l h χ s ʃ z ʒ j m n ŋ ɲ/

Not sure if doing this right, new to it all.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 May 2012, 17:51 
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Maraxxus wrote:
For Maxédri,
/ i ɛ e ɑ a æ ø ɔ o u y/
/b p f v w t d ð θ r ɾ ɹ ɡ k l h χ s ʃ z ʒ j m n ŋ ɲ/

Not sure if doing this right, new to it all.


So that's something like
Code:
i y           u
  e ø         o
    ɛ          ɔ
      æ
        a     ɑ



m             n               ɲ     ŋ
p b           t d                   k g
f v   θ ð     s z    ʃ ʒ                 χ    h
                r
                ɾ
                ɹ              j     w
                l


I am not sure about having all of /e ɛ æ a/, maybe you should merge two of these.
The combination of /θ ð ɹ/ is quite englishy, but I suppose there's nothing obviously wrong with it.
Also you have three different rhotics, which seem a bit much, but I suppose it could work.

What does the syllable structure look like?

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PostPosted: Wed 09 May 2012, 21:25 
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p, t, k, kʷ <qu> _V and q _#
b, d, g, gʷ <gu> _V
t͡s [t͡s] / _V[+stress] [s] / other, t͡ʃ [t͡ʃ] / _V[+stress] [ʃ] / other
d͡z [d͡z] / _V[+stress] [z] / other, d͡ʒ [d͡ʒ] / _V[+stress] [ʒ] / other
m, n
ɾ
j, w

The last obstruent of the word is devoiced. While an ending is following, the devoiced consonant can either be voiced or voiceless, depending on the ending.

Vowels
stressed
i, u
e, o
ä
äi, äu

unstressed
i, e -> ɪ
u, o -> ʊ
ä -> ɐ
äi -> ɛ <á>
äu -> ɔ


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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012, 16:10 
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/p b t d k g f v s z h m n ṽ ɾ j w/ <p bh/b’ t d k gh/g’ f w/hv ts/ss/ ds h/s/x/ /mb/mm n m r j v/b/g/l/

/i ɪ e ɛ a ɔ o ʊ u/<ii/ij i/ej/eje ee e/a/ai/aij aa o/ab/ag/av oo u/ub/uu/uub/uug/uv/ob/og/ov/obo/ogo/ovo>

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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012, 21:54 
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Doing this for a newer artlang of mine, which is a hypothetical descendant of Classical (not Vulgar) Latin.

Consonants
/m mʲ (b) p pʲ v vʲ f fʲ ʋ n nʲ (d) t tʲ ð ðʲ θ θʲ (ŋ g) ɣ k kʲ s sʲ x xʲ l lʲ r rʲ j/

The consonants /nʲ tʲ ðʲ kʲ sʲ xʲ lʲ rʲ/ are released [ɲ c ʝ ʨ ɕ ç ʎ ʑ], respectively.
There is no phoneme *ɣʲ because it historically merged with /j/.
The phones [b d g] are allophonic realizations of historic word-final *mb *nd *ŋg which have persisted to the present, as well as allophones of intervocalic *mp *nt *ŋk which have also persisted.
/ʋ/ does not occur word-finally. I'm thinking of just merging it with /v/.


Vowels
/ə a ɛ e ɪ i ɔ o ʊ u/ + /ai au/

I haven't yet decided whether to keep the distinction between /e~ɛ/ and /o~ɔ/. It'll likely just end up being allophonic.
The sound /a/ only occurs in stressed syllables, and the other cardinal vowels /e i o/ only rarely.

I haven't delved too deep into the phonotactics, but at the moment I'm thinking (OL/C)V(C), where (O) is a non-palatal obstruent and (L) is a liquid.

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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2012, 21:50 
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Made a small inventory to test out a couple of things.

Nalita
Code:
p[p] p'[p_>] ph[p_h] nb[nb] k[k] kh[k_h] nd[nd] t[t] th[t_h]
n[n]
l[l]
ss[s] s[S] v[v v\]
w[w] y[j]

/a i e u o ai ei oi iei iai/

Onset
p/p'/ph/nb/t/th/k/kh/s/ss/n/l/v/w/j | a/i/u/e/o/ai/ei/oi
Medial
p/t/k/ss/l/nd/ns/np/nk | a/i/u/e/o/ai/ei/oi/iei/iai
Coda
l/n | a/i/u/e/o/ai/ei/oi/iei/iai


A few words
Quote:
woitei p'in sil nbakain woil nbainka sita pilal saikal patoi nikal nbanpe khoikai khin sukil vaka wunsol kinsan vunpel pute soinsan tul nbutain sekail so soil nunso nuko pukoi sitan sukiai ssel pukan nboitoi neta vukal tupa ssen


comments?

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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2012, 22:35 
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Shrdlu wrote:
Made a small inventory to test out a couple of things.



What did you want to test?

Quote:

p'[p_>]



Why do you have [p’], but not [t’] or [k’]?

Quote:
nb[nb]

Why [nb] rather than [mb]? Wouldn't one expect assimilation?

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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2012, 23:19 
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1. Trying to see what triggers an "asian-language feel" and to see what awkword would spit out.
2. Take a look at the rest of the plosives, it is because I wanted some kind of asymmetry.
3. Well, I have no problem in making a difference between [nd] and [md] so for me they never assimilate...

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PostPosted: Sat 12 May 2012, 23:52 
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Shrdlu wrote:
2. Take a look at the rest of the plosives, it is because I wanted some kind of asymmetry.

But why [p’], when it's more likely with [k’] or some other back consonant?
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3. Well, I have no problem in making a difference between [nd] and [md] so for me they never assimilate...


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PostPosted: Sun 13 May 2012, 00:22 
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1.I could very much switch it around then if k'[k_>] is more likely than p'[p_>].
2. Sorry, it was a mixup of words. I get what you mean.

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PostPosted: Sun 13 May 2012, 00:30 
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A few podcasts ago, they were discussing sound systems. It made me think about 'weird gaps'.

Suppose you had an inventory of plosives like:

fortis: /p t k/
lenis /b g/

or perhaps:

/p k/
/b d g/

What explanations could there be for such gaps? Any ideas?

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PostPosted: Sun 13 May 2012, 01:44 
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Xing wrote:
A few podcasts ago, they were discussing sound systems. It made me think about 'weird gaps'.
Suppose you had an inventory of plosives like:
fortis: /p t k/ lenis /b g/
or perhaps:
/p k/ /b d g/
What explanations could there be for such gaps? Any ideas?

/d/? Flap. /t/? Flap or glottal stop that disappeared.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 May 2012, 06:17 
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What I'm working on:

Plosives: /p b pʼ t d tʼ k ɡ kʼ/
Fricatives: / f s h/
Affricates: /ʦ ʣ ʦʼ/
Nasals: /m n/
Continuants: /r l j w/
Vowels: /a i u aː iː uː ə ai̯ au̯/

Syllable structure (C)(X)V(C), where X = any continuant.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012, 20:54 
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Here's a phoneme inventory I've been working on for some time now. I'm not quite sure on which I want to include, so I've added parenthesis around those I'm indecisive toward. As can be seen, they, for the most part, include lateral obstruents/taps, non-pulmonic consonants, and nasalized vowels. I also originally wanted to add a tonal system that would've included 8 different tones, but I'm already going quite overboard with the phonemes. Though, in hindsight I might decide to include them, but reduce it to three or four.

Improvements? Thoughts? Questions?

Pulmonic Consonants:

Plosives: /p,p',t̪,t̪',ʈ,ʈ',c,c',k,k',q,q'/
Nasals: /m,n̪,ɳ,ŋ,ɴ/
Fricatives: /s,s',ʃ,ʃ',ʂ,ʂ',(ɕ,ɕ'),ç,ç',χ1,χ'1,ħ/
(Lat. Fricatives: /ɬ,ɬ',ɬ̙,ɬ̙',ʎ̝,ʎ̝',ʟ̝,ʟ̝'/)
Affricates: /ts,ts',tʃ,tʃ',tʂ,tʂ',(tɕ,tɕ'),cç,cç',qχ1,qχ'1/
(Lat. Affricates: /tɬ,tɬ',tɬ̙,tɬ̙',cʎ̝,cʎ̝',kʟ̝,kʟ̝'/)2
Taps: /ⱱ,ɾ,(ɽ)/
(Lat. Taps: /ɺ/)
Trills: /ʙ,r,(ɽ͡r),ʀ/
Approximants: /(ɹ̪,ɻ),j,ɰ̙/
Lat. Approximants: /l̪,ɭ,ʎ,ʟ/

(Non-pulmonic Consonants):

Clicks: /kǀ,kǀ',ŋǀ,qǀ,qǀ',χǀ,χǀ',ɴǀ,kǃ,kǃ',ŋǃ,qǃ,qǃ',χǃ,χǃ',ɴǃ,kǂ,kǂ',ŋǂ,qǂ,qǂ',χǂ,χǂ',ɴǂ,kǁ,kǁ',ŋǁ,qǁ,qǁ',χǁ,χǁ',ɴǁ/
Implosives: /ɓ,ɗ,ɗ̪/
"Imfricates"3: /ɗ͡z,ɗ͡ʐ,ɗ͡ʑ/

Vowels:

Closed: /i,(y)4,ʉ,ɯ,u/
Closed-mid: /e,(ø)4,ɘ,o/
(Mid: /ə/)
Open-mid: /ɛ,(œ)4,ɔ/
Open: /ɐ,ɑ/

(Nasalized Vowels):

Closed: /ĩ,ʉ̃,ũ/
Closed-mid: /ẽ,ɘ̃,õ/
Open-mid: /ɛ̃,ɔ̃/
Open: /ɐ̃,ɑ̃/

Notes:
1. I'm not sure if this is happening for other computers, but the uvular fricative isn't displaying properly. Where you see a "x" just note that it's uvular not velar.
2. Diacritics for phonetic shifts (i.e. movement on the IPA table) are based on the Wikipedia table.
3. The "Imfricates" are implosives with a fricative release.
4. Initially, I intended to remove front rounded vowels, but recently I've become quite partial to them.


Edit: Replaced 'ʔ' with an apostrophe.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 May 2012, 21:18 
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I'd like to hear you pronounce each phoneme in your inventory.

QuantumWraith wrote:

Plosives: /p,pʔ,t,tʔ,ţ,ţʔ,c,cʔ,k,kʔ,q,qʔ/




Are the phonemes followed by a glottal stop /ʔ/ supposed to be co-articulated in some way, or?

Quote:

χǀ,χǀʔ, [...] ,χǂ,χǂʔ



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