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 Post subject: Yionreg
PostPosted: Sun 06 May 2012, 23:04 
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Orthography

Aa Bb Dd Ðð Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk K̈k̈ Ll Mm Nn N̈n̈ Oo Pp Rr Ss Tt Ŧŧ Uu Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz

Accented and circumflex characters are used, but are not part of the alphabet.

Some extra characters can be replaced with digraphs if not appearing on keyboards.

Ðð-Dh dh
K̈k̈- Kh kh
N̈n̈- Ng ng
Ŧŧ- Th th

The names are as follows;

A Be De Edh E Ef Ge Ahha I Ej Ke Ekh El Em En Eng O Pe Er Es Te Eth U Ev We Ex Ye Ez

Phonology

Vowels:

/a aː ãː ɛ ɛ̃ e̞ː ɨ ɨ̃ iː ɔ ɔ̃ o̞ː ʉ ʉ̃ uː/ a a an e en e i in i o on o u un u

The vowels shown above come in tense and lax pairs. The distinction is not entire phonemic, however as words with similar spellings (nensar, /'nɛ̃saʁ/ "village" vs. nensâr, /'nɛ̃saːʁ/ "limit") gain a circumflex or accent to differentiate, yet the markings are also used for true homophones like (zuːl /'zuːl/ "coin" vs. zûl /'zuːl/ "chair").

All vowels are nasalized before nasal consonants <n>,<m>, and <ng>; which are changed to <nn>,<mm>, and <nng> to disallow the nasalization. No diphthongs or tense consonants are nasalized.

Diphthongs:

/ai̯ ɛi̯ ɔi̯ au̯ iu̯ uy̯/ ai ei oi au iu ui

The diphthongs are shown above in the standard dialect. A trema or accent may be placed on the first vowel to separate the phonemes.

Consonants:

/m n ŋ/ m n ng
/p b t d k g (ʔ)/ p b t d k g -h-
/θ ð s z ʃ ʒ χ ʁ (h)/ th dh s z x j kh r h-
/w f~ʋ̊ v~ʋ j l/ w f v y l

The phoneme /h/ is present only before vowels, if between two vowels it is realized as /ʔ/. The digraph <hh> is used in a limited number of words to represent /h/ between vowels.

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 Post subject: Re: Yionreg
PostPosted: Sun 06 May 2012, 23:20 
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Vowels:

/a aː ãː ɛ ɛ̃ e̞ː ɨ ɨ̃ iː ɔ ɔ̃ o̞ː ʉ ʉ̃ uː/ a a an e en e i in i o on o u un u

The vowels shown above come in tense and lax pairs. The distinction is not entire phonemic, however as words with similar spellings (nensar, /'nɛ̃saʁ/ "village" vs. nensâr, /'nɛ̃saːʁ/ "limit") gain a circumflex or accent to differentiate, yet the markings are also used for true homophones like (zuːl /'zuːl/ "coin" vs. zûl /'zuːl/ "chair").



What do you mean by 'not entire phonemic'? (Whether the contrast between two sounds is phonemic or not has nothing to do with how they are spelt.)

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 Post subject: Re: Yionreg
PostPosted: Mon 07 May 2012, 03:41 
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Xing wrote:
Helios wrote:
A


Vowels:

/a aː ãː ɛ ɛ̃ e̞ː ɨ ɨ̃ iː ɔ ɔ̃ o̞ː ʉ ʉ̃ uː/ a a an e en e i in i o on o u un u

The vowels shown above come in tense and lax pairs. The distinction is not entire phonemic, however as words with similar spellings (nensar, /'nɛ̃saʁ/ "village" vs. nensâr, /'nɛ̃saːʁ/ "limit") gain a circumflex or accent to differentiate, yet the markings are also used for true homophones like (zuːl /'zuːl/ "coin" vs. zûl /'zuːl/ "chair").



What do you mean by 'not entire phonemic'? (Whether the contrast between two sounds is phonemic or not has nothing to do with how they are spelt.)


As in, they are in free variation with another (for the most part).

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 Post subject: Re: Yionreg
PostPosted: Mon 07 May 2012, 17:28 
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Helios wrote:
The phoneme /h/ is present only before vowels, if between two vowels it is realized as /ʔ/. The digraph <hh> is used in a limited number of words to represent /h/ between vowels.


If /h/ appears in the same environment with /ʔ/ why do you analyse them allophones?

Can a nasal vowel appear if it's not followed by a nasal consonant? May the oral vowel appear in a very nasal ensironment as in a word like /mam/ <mamm>?


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 Post subject: Re: Yionreg
PostPosted: Mon 07 May 2012, 17:53 
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Nouns

Nouns are divided according to gender, number, and case.

Masculine (-u,-wa,-we,-wi,-wo,-wu,-o,-u(consonant))

Lazu "quartz"

Code:
                                Singular   Plural    Collective
Agent                                 Lazu        Lazwar   Lazuz
Voluntary Experiencer            Lazum      Lazur     Lazoz
Direct Object                       Lazwe      Lazwer   Lazeno
Indirect Object                     Lazwo      Lazwor   Lazano


Feminine (-i,-ya,-ye,-yi,-yo,-yu,-e,-e(consonant))

Yagi "town"

Code:
                                       Singular   Plural    Collective
Agent                                 Yagi       Yagyer   Yagiz
Voluntary Experiencer            Yagam    Yagahi   Yagez
Direct Object                       Yagim     Yagihi    Yagine
Indirect Object                     Laga      Yagya    Yagane


Neuter (-consonant, -a)

Fosa "seringe"

Code:
Agent                                 Fosa       Fosen    Fos
Voluntary Experiencer            Fosad    Fosai     Fosag
Direct Object                       Fosid     Fosei     Foseg
Indirect Object                     Fosud    Fosoi     Fosog

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 Post subject: Re: Yionreg
PostPosted: Mon 07 May 2012, 18:14 
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Helios wrote:
Nouns

Nouns are divided according to gender, number, and case.

Masculine (-u,-wa,-we,-wi,-wo,-wu,-o,-u(consonant))

Lazu "quartz"

Code:
                                Singular   Plural    Collective
Agent                                 Lazu        Lazwar   Lazuz
Voluntary Experiencer            Lazum      Lazur     Lazoz
Direct Object                       Lazwe      Lazwer   Lazeno
Indirect Object                     Lazwo      Lazwor   Lazano




So, you have four cases representing agent, voluntary experiencer, direct object and indirect object.

I suppose that in a canonical transitive clause (like "A hits B"), there is an agent and a direct object. What about intransitive sentences? Is the only participant normally treated as a "voluntary experiencer"? Or does it differ, from verb to verb, so that some intransitive verbs may take an agent, others a voluntary experiencer, and yet others have their only argument in the direct or indirect object case?

What case(s) is/are used for possessors/genitive constructions? With adpositions?

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 Post subject: Re: Yionreg
PostPosted: Mon 07 May 2012, 21:45 
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Omzinesý wrote:
Helios wrote:
The phoneme /h/ is present only before vowels, if between two vowels it is realized as /ʔ/. The digraph <hh> is used in a limited number of words to represent /h/ between vowels.


If /h/ appears in the same environment with /ʔ/ why do you analyse them allophones?

Can a nasal vowel appear if it's not followed by a nasal consonant? May the oral vowel appear in a very nasal ensironment as in a word like /mam/ <mamm>?


Nasal vowels can appear before nasals if they're doubled.

I never said /h/ and 'alef were allophones. Medial /h/ appears in loanwords, and non-standard dialectal terms.

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 Post subject: Re: Yionreg
PostPosted: Tue 08 May 2012, 17:24 
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Helios wrote:
The phoneme /h/ is present only before vowels, if between two vowels it is realized as /ʔ/.

If a phoneme Y realizes as X, doesn't that mean X is an allophone of Y?
But well they aren't.
You should make a different phonology section and a different ortography section.
But the ortography seems interesting, however.


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 Post subject: Re: Yionreg
PostPosted: Tue 08 May 2012, 17:36 
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Omzinesý wrote:
You should make a different phonology section and a different ortography section.

[+1]

Helios wrote:
The phoneme /h/ is present only before vowels, if between two vowels it is realized as /ʔ/. The digraph <hh> is used in a limited number of words to represent /h/ between vowels.


Does 'before vowels' mean 'word-initially'? Or can /h/ occur in syllable onset, within a word? You have no section on phonotactics yet, so I don't know what kinds of syllables are allowed.

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 Post subject: Re: Yionreg
PostPosted: Wed 09 May 2012, 17:59 
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Xing wrote:
Helios wrote:
Nouns

Nouns are divided according to gender, number, and case.

Masculine (-u,-wa,-we,-wi,-wo,-wu,-o,-u(consonant))

Lazu "quartz"

Code:
                                Singular   Plural    Collective
Agent                                 Lazu        Lazwar   Lazuz
Voluntary Experiencer            Lazum      Lazur     Lazoz
Direct Object                       Lazwe      Lazwer   Lazeno
Indirect Object                     Lazwo      Lazwor   Lazano




So, you have four cases representing agent, voluntary experiencer, direct object and indirect object.

I suppose that in a canonical transitive clause (like "A hits B"), there is an agent and a direct object. What about intransitive sentences? Is the only participant normally treated as a "voluntary experiencer"? Or does it differ, from verb to verb, so that some intransitive verbs may take an agent, others a voluntary experiencer, and yet others have their only argument in the direct or indirect object case?

What case(s) is/are used for possessors/genitive constructions? With adpositions?


Yes

The possessive/genitive is formed using adpositions.

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Omzinesý wrote:
Helios wrote:
The phoneme /h/ is present only before vowels, if between two vowels it is realized as /ʔ/.

If a phoneme Y realizes as X, doesn't that mean X is an allophone of Y?
But well they aren't.
You should make a different phonology section and a different ortography section.
But the ortography seems interesting, however.


/h/ is only [h] natively word-initial (before vowels only), the <hh> digraph represents [h] intervocally in substandard words and the letter name Ahha. 'Ayin appears between vowels as an allophone of /h/. /h/ does not

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What is Yionreg sandhi like? How does the phonontactics work? For instance, can you say something /xpknapt/?

What determines a noun's gender? In some languages, the shape of the inanimate determines its gender. Is this true of Yionreg? Or is it entirely random?

Is it possible to alter the grammatical gender?

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PostPosted: Tue 15 May 2012, 17:20 
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Solarius wrote:
What is Yionreg sandhi like? How does the phonontactics work? For instance, can you say something /xpknapt/?

What determines a noun's gender? In some languages, the shape of the inanimate determines its gender. Is this true of Yionreg? Or is it entirely random?

Is it possible to alter the grammatical gender?


Gender is random and semivariable.

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