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Jag tycker du ska göra det som funkar bäst för dig och ditt projekt, vad gäller 'axiomatiska system' [:P] Men tror du det blir bättre med fasta grundvalar ska du ju absolut köra på det!

Språkfråga: Jag antar att det blir överdrivet långsökt att förklara uppkomsten av 'dum' på ett sätt parallellt med sydligare dialekter? (dvs nåt i stil med deim→dem→dum)

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Jag följer förstås helt med din linje, jag greppar efter halmstrån för att säkerställa lite [:P]

Heter 'som' sum på jämtska?

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Det är dock knappast orimligt om något så vanligt ord skulle ha' varit oregelbundet i ljudutvecklingen. Ljud ändras med otrolig enhetlighet, men alltid slinker något i genom regeln og går sin egen väg. Vanliga ord är sårbara.

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Aszev
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Heter 'som' sum på jämtska?
Ja, stavning sum och normerat uttal [sʊmː], men givetvis finns också [sɔmː] och [sɞmː] dialektalt. Notera att en mängd äkta jämtmål uttalar u konsekvent som [ʊ] framför enkelt m.

Jag tänker på övriga dialekter, där heim/þeim/sem nu heter hem/dôm/sôm. Problemet jag ser för jämtskans del är ju förstås avsaknaden av monoftongering i heim/þeim. Det skulle i så fall va om þeim i egenskap av högfrekvent ord skulle fått en spontanmonoftongisering och sedan hakat på växlingen em→um.

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Så är ju nema även ett nutida isländskt ord med liknande (samma, egentligen) innebörd.

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Aszev
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SEO (bra förkortning där!) säger även att det skulle ha spridits till norskan från danskan eller svenskan. Det kan ju vara så att det skulle vara en parallellutveckling i öster, som sedan spritt sig från de östra centrumen?

Oavsett ställer jag mig försiktigt frågande till att bevara formen sum om du i övrigt angriper det hela på ett rätt så puristiskt sätt. Jag menar att om nu dum inte passar in, men ändå är allmänt spritt, borde då inte också sum få sig ett klädombyte av samma skäl?

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Allt går at løsa med prikkar och strek! ‹sèm›? Ser dokk inget fel i at låta stavninga vara «oregelbunda» før enstaka (i synnerhet vanliga) småord.

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Så är ju nema även ett nutida isländskt ord med liknande (samma, egentligen) innebörd.
Ja, men vad är kopplingen till jämtska? :?:

Vilde mest understryka hvad du fann.

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Hmm, gäller den halvhöga punkten bara ord med 'gammal tillagd bestämd ändelse'? Jag tänkte om jämtska har några ord med akut accent som också får den halvhöga punkten? T.ex. cykel eller choklad i (standard)svenska.

Hursomhelst gillar jag idén och punkten passar fint in i bland bokstäverna. =)

Jag testade förut att skilja på grav och akut accent genom att skriva 'anden' (grav) mot 'andän' (akut), då få ord väl har Ä i obetonad ställning. Det verkar vara just ord med E som slutvokal som förvirrar lite, medan andra slutvokaler verkar ganska bra på att indikera ordet accent själva. Jag tycker det funkar helt okej, men jag förväntar mig ramaskri från alla håll...
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