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Or, how does telicity work in your lang?

Telic: "I shot you" (and hit you)
Atelic: "I shot AT you" (I may or may not have hit you)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telicity

Korpasian

Ti ktsaugatam.
[ti kʦau̯ɡəˈtam]
tit ktsauga-ta-m
2.ACC shoot-AOR-1SG.TELIC

Tin ktsaugataš.
[tin kʦau̯ɡəˈtaɕ]
tin ktsauga-ta-š
2.DAT shoot-1SG.ATELIC PST

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Mekoshan
Alpic

No difference from English in Swedish; jag sköt (mot) dig.

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‹› · Ḿḿ Ńń Ĺĺ Śś Źź Ąą Ǫǫ Ųų Æ̨æ̨ Ǽǽ Œ̨œ̨ Œ́œ́ Ɣɣ Y̋y̋ Įį Şş Z̧z̧ θ
Āā Ēē Īī Ōō Ūū ↗ Ṭṭ C̣c̣ Łł Ḍḍ Ṣṣ Ẓẓ Ṇṇ Ŋŋ e˞ o˞ ʷ ʲ ʰ ə

Jon umneo djun.
I shot you.

Jon umneo seo djun.
I shot towards you.

Jon umneo rjow djun.
I shot at you.

With glosses and IPA:

1s.NOM shoot.PST (towards) 2s.OBJ
[jɒː x̞ʷøːt (mʊ͡βt) dɛj]

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Wateu

Ko xoiko a mai no.
/tˠo ʔo͡i̯tˠo aː mʲai̯ nˠoː/
[kʷo̞ ˈʔʷo̞͡i̯kʷo̞ aː mʲa͡i̯ ŋʷo̞ː]
PFV shoot ERG 1s 2s

Ko xoiko (a) mai mo no.
/tˠo ʔo͡i̯tˠo (aː) mʲai̯ mˠoː nˠo/
[kʷo̞ ˈʔʷo̞͡i̯kʷo̞ (aː) mʲa͡i̯ mʷo̞ː ŋʷo̞ː]
PFV shoot ERG 1s ALL 2s

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utje kaloshj nje'b
/utʲe kaɭoɕ nʲeb/
PST shoot (SUBJ marker) 2S

vs

utje kaloshj nje bu'ylo
/utʲe kaɭoɕ nʲe bwɨɭo/
PST shoot (SUBJ marker) 2S towards

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Zelsian (Khzayske)

Sm. plays with its cases.

Ammuin sinut. (and killed)
I.shot you.ACC

Ammuin sinua. (I was shooting you.)
I.shot you.PART

Ammuin sinua kohti. (I shot at you)
I.shot you:PART towords

They all have difference. But what it is? Could they be a continuum of telicity?

This challenge fits Arroe quite well.
Arroe

Kôaskǔ ẹ́gbi (kăẹk) no.
[koa˦˨sku˨˩ ɛ˦ɡ͡bi˧ kae˩k no˧]
TEL-DIR shoot (1p.SING) 2p.SING.
"I shot you."

Égbǐ kăẹk no.
[ ɛ˦ɡ͡bi˩ kae˩k no]
shoot.ATEL-DIR 1p.SING 2p.SING
"I shot at you"

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Pazmat:

"Fe lxadhzji."
[2.SG shoot-PST-1.SG]

"Fe lxadhzjito."
[2.SG shoot-PST-1.SG-IRREALIS]

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Banami bhjaddhos rafi mau cy vyaja cecerror.
Fools do not see the sun nor sail the seas
-Azenti Proverb

[x̞ʷ]? [ʊ͡β]? Funky.

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‹› · Ḿḿ Ńń Ĺĺ Śś Źź Ąą Ǫǫ Ųų Æ̨æ̨ Ǽǽ Œ̨œ̨ Œ́œ́ Ɣɣ Y̋y̋ Įį Şş Z̧z̧ θ
Āā Ēē Īī Ōō Ūū ↗ Ṭṭ C̣c̣ Łł Ḍḍ Ṣṣ Ẓẓ Ṇṇ Ŋŋ e˞ o˞ ʷ ʲ ʰ ə

Hmmm....

There is an atelic way to say it in Russian:

Я выстрелил в тебя.
я выстрели-л-Ø в тебя
1S.NOM shoot.PERF-PT-MASC into 2S.АCC

But the telic way presumes death of the target when you've finished shooting (you may have shot the target more than once).

Я застрелил тебя.
я застрели-л-Ø в тебя
1S.NOM shoot_dead.PERF-PT-MASC into 2S

If the target didn't die from your shot, you would have to use the atelic form.

EDIT:

Apparently there exists a word подстрелить which means "to shoot and hit but not necessarily kill". But I'm too lazy to write another glossed sentence.

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HyPry (C Cou Proıdounıœmæ Lègælıefra) can deal with this in a few ways. One could use either the (1) allative or (2) dative case on the thing being shot (the former carries the implication that the shot did not hit its mark - more like "I shot in your general direction"), or use a particular verb aspect (3) to indicate that the shot was an attempt, which may or may not have succeeded:

Co énu'en à kæŋ cı óéııerou. (I shot you. [implies that the shot was successful])
DEF-ERG state[1s]-ERG-1s general-PST shoot DEF-ACC state[2s]-ACC-2s

(1) C nén à kæŋ câê óéroulé. (I shot at you. [implies that the shot was unsuccessful])
DEF state[1s]-1s general-PST shoot DEF-ALL state[2s]-2s-ALL
(2) C nén à kæŋ cou óérouua. (I shot at you. [no implication])
DEF state[1s]-1s general-PST shoot DEF-DAT state[2s]-2s-DAT
(3) Co énu'en à kæŋhus cı óéııerou. (I tried to shoot you. [implies that the shot was unsuccessful])
DEF-ERG state[1s]-ERG-1s general-PST shoot-ATT(attemptive) DEF-ACC state[2s]-ACC-2s

Right. There's a gloss now. Sorry about that.

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It's definitely a good thing to explain what's going with your translations (and something I'd like to see more of). But I still can't see how those individual parts are functioning in your lang because you haven't added glosses.

Please add glosses and if you like some IPA/XSAMPA.

New Translation Guidelines

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Ikasmu ati'uki nai uraiur.
Hinai nimuśim naimi nai sasamiur urukani. Śi'ama nai huhumiur na ni'amuśim nai sasamiur.
Pumaki nimuśim śima'a na ami nimuśim ara'a. Hini nihrasum i'aku tumra urukani na nihrasum sanik hraspir.

For the first issue, you may want to go for either a ART.CAS form or possibly ART-CAS or ART=CAS (where ART is any type of article [definite {DEF}, indefinite{INDEF}] and CAS is any case) depending on how your articles funtion.

I'm not sure what your second issue is. Could you explain further? Do you mean that your verb aspects are independent particles or what?

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1 - I shot you (and hit you).
2 - I shot at you (I may or may not have hit you).

Zidhgebzhail

1
vil def gAaston
v-il d-ef g-Aasto-n
1-ERG.SG.M 2-ACC.SG.M PST-shoot-SIMPLE
I shot you.

2
vy djaum gAaston
v-y d-jaum g-Aasto-n
1-ABS.SG.M 2-ALLATIVE.SG.M PST-shoot-SIMPLE
I shot towards you.

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Zidhgebzhail Orthography

Qu qas hőttéz.
Qu qas hőtt-éz.
1SG.NOM 2SG.ACC shoot-PAST
I shot you.

Qu qas amHőttéz.
Qu qas am-Hőtt-éz.
1SG.NOM 2SG.ACC at-shoot-PAST
I shot at you.

Think I did something wrong with the glossing here..

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Maxédri
Faljüdax

Kàmo:

Hipokahaís kosobo.
CL2-strike-1S.A.2S.P metal.DIM

Himàmihaís kosobo.
CL2-throw-1S.A.2S.P metal.DIM

The difference between them is in the verb root. When the verb root for 'strike' is used in this construction, it is certain that the person was hit by the bullet. When 'throw' is used, it is uncertain whether or not the person was hit.

@Theta: I really like the simple use of changing the verb root here.

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Ikasmu ati'uki nai uraiur.
Hinai nimuśim naimi nai sasamiur urukani. Śi'ama nai huhumiur na ni'amuśim nai sasamiur.
Pumaki nimuśim śima'a na ami nimuśim ara'a. Hini nihrasum i'aku tumra urukani na nihrasum sanik hraspir.

J'ai tiré sur toi. (Formal)
I have.1S pulled.PAST.PART on you.EMPHATIC
[ʒe ti.'ʁe syʁ 'twa]
Je t'ai tiré dessus. (More often heard)
I you.ACC.SHORTENED have.1S pulled.PAST.PART onto
[ʒə te ti.'ʁe də.'sy]

Note: You probably hurt them.

J'ai tiré vers toi.
I have.1S pulled.PAST.PART toward you.EMPHATIC
[ʒe ti.'ʁe vɛʁ.'twa]

Note: You probably missed.

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To shoot: tirer (litt: to pull), faire feu (litt: to do fire)

I think we use the verb "to pull", because you actually pull a trigger. ^^

Added gloss - sorry about that. It's such a pain to gloss HyPry I keep forgetting to come back and do so.
Thanks. Doing that.


Sorry - just that a few of my verb aspects don't have official names since they simply don't seem to exist in other language. I've glossed using the names that I've given them - hopefully it makes some semblance of sense.

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