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Apparently Irish and Scottish Gaelic fáilte/fàilte 'welcome' are cognate with English well and will (which are also cognate with each other)!
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odious odyssey, from PIE **h₃ed-. "to hate", as it seems Odysseus's name meant "Hated One".
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Score, Shear. Both from PIE *sker, the former being the o-grade (and of Norse origin).
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Moni (TNG, Indonesia) /zu/ 'boy, son' and Mee (TNG, Indonesia) /joka/ 'child'. These really don't look similar, but Moni lost intervocalic *k and fortified j>z. And of course the vowels did something crazy as they always do.
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Christ, Grime. Both from PIE *gʰrēy "to smear".
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N*gger; (Film) Noir, both from Latin <niger>. If you believe the putative theory that the Latin is from some weird reflex of PIE *nókʷts, then we can include "Night" and all of its IE cognates.
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Blue, Black, Blank, Flame, Blink, Bleich "Pale" Blanc Blanco et. al. "White" φλόξ /pʰloks/ "Flame" Flou Flavo "yellow" белый /bʲelɨj/ biały et. al. "Blue" (Sanskrit) भर्ग /bʱarga/ "Splendor".
All from PIE *bʰel "flash; brightness"
All from PIE *bʰel "flash; brightness"
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"clan" "plant"
<planta> "shoot" >(Borrowed) O. M. <plante> > ;eng; <Plant>
<planta> "shoot" >(Borrowed) O. <Plant> "Children"> (borrowed) O. <Cland> > <Clann> > (Borrowed) <Clan>
<planta> "shoot" >(Borrowed) O. M. <plante> > ;eng; <Plant>
<planta> "shoot" >(Borrowed) O. <Plant> "Children"> (borrowed) O. <Cland> > <Clann> > (Borrowed) <Clan>
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long since
lang syne
längesen
Well maybe it's not that surprising.
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längesen
Well maybe it's not that surprising.
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Conlangs: Hawntow, Yorkish, misc.
she/her
Conlangs: Hawntow, Yorkish, misc.
she/her
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שור šōr /ʃor/ - "bull"
teuras - "animal for slaughter"
teuras - "animal for slaughter"
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I would put "theoretical" as it is unknown how the PIE source for the borrowing, *táwros relates to Proto-Semitic *θawr
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Re: Surprising cognates
attach
attack
Frankish *stakka "stick" → Old French estache "stick" → atachier "to attach" → attach
→ (possible intermediate steps) → attaccare "to attach; to attack" (as in attaccare battaglia "to join battle") → attaquer "to attack" → attack
(I got these etymologies from Wiktionary, so they may be somewhat inaccurate. Wiktionary is somewhat unclear about the etymology of Italian attaccare, but it seems to ultimately derive from Old French attachier via a long series of intermediate steps.)
attack
Frankish *stakka "stick" → Old French estache "stick" → atachier "to attach" → attach
→ (possible intermediate steps) → attaccare "to attach; to attack" (as in attaccare battaglia "to join battle") → attaquer "to attack" → attack
(I got these etymologies from Wiktionary, so they may be somewhat inaccurate. Wiktionary is somewhat unclear about the etymology of Italian attaccare, but it seems to ultimately derive from Old French attachier via a long series of intermediate steps.)
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Via PGmc this is probably also cognate with stick right?
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Wiktionary doesn’t say, but that does seem very likely. If that is the case, then that makes three surprising cognates.
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If so I want to add étiquette & English ticket.... maybe not too surprising to those of us accustomed to french loanword patterns, but I find it amusing, particularly how it boomeranged back to us.
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Re: Surprising cognates
More Chinese-English cognates:
轂 gu3 'nave of a wheel' < OC *kok ~ TB kokale 'wheel' < PIE *kʷekʷlo- > Eng. wheel
鞹 kuo4 'leather' < OC *khwak ~ TA kʷāc- 'leather' < PIE *kuH-ti- > Eng. hide
厄 e4 'yoke' < OC *qˤr(i/e)k ~ PIE *h3reǵ- > Eng. rake, reckon, rank, rich, drake, etc.
垣 yuan2 'wall, city' < OC *ɢʷan ~ TB want- 'envelop, surround' < PIE *wendh- > Eng. wind, wend (but Baxter-Sagart has *ɢʷar-)
And another Chinese-IE cognate:
里 li3 'village' < OC *C-rəʔ ~ PIE *wriH-eh2 > TB riye 'city', Thracian bria 'polis'
There are more here, but I left them out because finding the Chinese characters for them was too hard. There's also a 73-page thesis that I haven't read yet.
轂 gu3 'nave of a wheel' < OC *kok ~ TB kokale 'wheel' < PIE *kʷekʷlo- > Eng. wheel
鞹 kuo4 'leather' < OC *khwak ~ TA kʷāc- 'leather' < PIE *kuH-ti- > Eng. hide
厄 e4 'yoke' < OC *qˤr(i/e)k ~ PIE *h3reǵ- > Eng. rake, reckon, rank, rich, drake, etc.
垣 yuan2 'wall, city' < OC *ɢʷan ~ TB want- 'envelop, surround' < PIE *wendh- > Eng. wind, wend (but Baxter-Sagart has *ɢʷar-)
And another Chinese-IE cognate:
里 li3 'village' < OC *C-rəʔ ~ PIE *wriH-eh2 > TB riye 'city', Thracian bria 'polis'
There are more here, but I left them out because finding the Chinese characters for them was too hard. There's also a 73-page thesis that I haven't read yet.
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Wow, I never would have expected that some of these were IE borrowings... 里 is especially surprising.Nortaneous wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018 13:46 More Chinese-English cognates:
轂 gu3 'nave of a wheel' < OC *kok ~ TB kokale 'wheel' < PIE *kʷekʷlo- > Eng. wheel
鞹 kuo4 'leather' < OC *khwak ~ TA kʷāc- 'leather' < PIE *kuH-ti- > Eng. hide
厄 e4 'yoke' < OC *qˤr(i/e)k ~ PIE *h3reǵ- > Eng. rake, reckon, rank, rich, drake, etc.
垣 yuan2 'wall, city' < OC *ɢʷan ~ TB want- 'envelop, surround' < PIE *wendh- > Eng. wind, wend (but Baxter-Sagart has *ɢʷar-)
And another Chinese-IE cognate:
里 li3 'village' < OC *C-rəʔ ~ PIE *wriH-eh2 > TB riye 'city', Thracian bria 'polis'
There are more here, but I left them out because finding the Chinese characters for them was too hard. There's also a 73-page thesis that I haven't read yet.
(By the way, it seems that the “yoke” sense of 厄 is typially written 軛 nowadays)
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Thanks to Xonen in the False Friends thread for sending me down this rabbit-hole (pun intended):
<Cony>; Basque (where is the flag?) <untxi> "Rabbit"
Proto-Basque (or a lost Vasconic cognate) *(H)unči >(Borrowed) <cuniculus> > Vulg *cuniclus > Conil, Plr Conis> Cony
<Cony>; Basque (where is the flag?) <untxi> "Rabbit"
Proto-Basque (or a lost Vasconic cognate) *(H)unči >(Borrowed) <cuniculus> > Vulg *cuniclus > Conil, Plr Conis> Cony
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skunk = Chicago, both from different languages' form of the same word for skunk, which is a nominal derivation from the verb for "urinate". It seems Chicago was named after the wild onions that grew there, not after skunks or urine ... perhaps they saw something similar in the aroma?
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