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Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 29 May 2018 07:47
by Nortaneous
Armenian ewt'n "seven" ~ Akkadian sibittu id.
Finnish taivas "sky" ~ Georgian devi "monster" ~ Arabic diyū "demon" ~ English Tyr
Lule Sami boatsoj "reindeer" ~ Bashkir mïšï "moose" ~ English fee
Finnish sarvi "horn" ~ Finnish hirvi "elk" ~ English hornet ~ English cerebrum
Pite Sami tjuohte "hundred" ~ English cent
Finnish ajaa "drive" ~ Northern Sami vuodjit "drive" ~ English coagulate ~ Finnish ammatti "profession" ~ Irish amhas "hooligan" ~ French gérer "manage"
Moksha jerʹxke "lake" ~ Lithuanian jáura "bog"
Northern Sami miehta "honey" ~ Chinese mì id. ~ Malay madu id. ~ Yakut müöt id. ~ Lao mathu id. ~ Chechen moz id. (OK, I'm not sure about the last three, but it's probable)
Micmac atlai "shirt" < Basque atorra id.
Micmac elega:wit "he is a king" ~ Latvian redzēt "see"
also Iroquois < Basque-based pidgin (h)ilokoa "killer people"
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 07 Jun 2018 04:24
by Pabappa
are the Micmac words all loans?
air and
wind are cognates, if you follow the chains of words at
http://enwp.org/wikt:air and
http://enwp.org/wikt:wind , though the common element is just PIE *h
2w-. Also in this word family are
east,
Austria, and
Australia. meaning that the similarity of the names of the two countries is not such a coincidence after all, despite that they have different meanings.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 07 Jun 2018 14:41
by Znex
stall
locum >
lieu {place, location}
Both come from the PIE root *stel- {to put, place}.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 10 Jun 2018 06:43
by Shemtov
<iron> <sister> <sangria>
PIE *h₁ésh₂r̥ "Blood">Proto-Celtic *īsarnom "Iron ["Bloody Metal"]">borrowed by PGerm *īsarną>O.
īren>
<Iron>
>*PIE su-h₁ésh₂-ōr "self-blood-FEM">PGerm *swestēr> O:eng:sweostor>:eng: sister
>
sanguis "blood">
sangre>:esp: sangria "blood like [drink]">borrowed
sangria
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 26 Jun 2018 06:02
by zyma
Apparently,
"arsenic" might be related to "yellow".
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 26 Jun 2018 15:59
by k1234567890y
English head(native Germanic word), chief, chef(from French, ultimately from Latin), cape(from French, ultimately from Latin), cap(ultimately from Latin), capital(from Latin), jefe(from Spanish, ultimately from Latin), and kapala(from Tibet, ultimately from Sanskrit)
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 26 Jun 2018 19:42
by Shemtov
k1234567890y wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018 15:59
English head(native Germanic word), chief, chef(from French, ultimately from Latin), cape(from French, ultimately from Latin), cap(ultimately from Latin), capital(from Latin), jefe(from Spanish, ultimately from Latin), and kapala(from Tibet, ultimately from Sanskrit)
Also Chapter,, from a French doublet of Chief.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 26 Jun 2018 20:58
by Pabappa
k1234567890y wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018 15:59
English head(native Germanic word), chief, chef(from French, ultimately from Latin), cape(from French, ultimately from Latin), cap(ultimately from Latin), capital(from Latin), jefe(from Spanish, ultimately from Latin), and kapala(from Tibet, ultimately from Sanskrit)
from the last one you could then add
瓦 /kawara/ "tile; covering; kneecap".
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 27 Jun 2018 05:03
by Ælfwine
English magician, via French magicien, via Latin magus, via Greek mágos (itself from an indeterminate Iranian origin)
Chinese wū 巫 "shaman, witch", possibly from Sino-Tibetan *mjaɣ, loaned from Persian *maguš
Somewhat controversial, as wū 巫 could also be from mu 母 meaning mother, given the tradition of female shamanesses.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 27 Jun 2018 10:57
by svld
巫 and 母 in oracle bone script look nothing alike though.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 27 Jun 2018 23:36
by GrandPiano
svld wrote: ↑27 Jun 2018 10:57
巫 and 母 in oracle bone script look nothing alike though.
That doesn’t mean the words themselves aren’t related. They may have already been considered separate words in Old Chinese.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 28 Jun 2018 16:35
by Creyeditor
Pabappa wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018 20:58
k1234567890y wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018 15:59
English head(native Germanic word), chief, chef(from French, ultimately from Latin), cape(from French, ultimately from Latin), cap(ultimately from Latin), capital(from Latin), jefe(from Spanish, ultimately from Latin), and kapala(from Tibet, ultimately from Sanskrit)
from the last one you could then add
瓦 /kawara/ "tile; covering; kneecap".
We already had this a few pages ago. There is also Indonesian (!) 'kepala'.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 04 Jul 2018 01:34
by clawgrip
GrandPiano wrote: ↑27 Jun 2018 23:36
svld wrote: ↑27 Jun 2018 10:57
巫 and 母 in oracle bone script look nothing alike though.
That doesn’t mean the words themselves aren’t related. They may have already been considered separate words in Old Chinese.
Indeed, it's important not to confuse script etymology with spoken language etymology. Words of common origin are sometimes written with different characters. Japanese in particular is full of this, since kanji is basically a foreign writing system that has nothing to do with Japanese etymology, but Chinese surely has the same thing as well.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 05 Jul 2018 17:58
by Lambuzhao
Znex wrote: ↑07 Jun 2018 14:41
stall
locum >
lieu {place, location}
Both come from the PIE root *stel- {to put, place}.
Those crazy Old latin /stl/ words, like stlocus, stlatus, stloppus.
What the hey, Latin?!
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 05 Jul 2018 18:05
by Lambuzhao
Shemtov wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018 06:43
<iron> <sister> <sangria>
PIE *h₁ésh₂r̥ "Blood">Proto-Celtic *īsarnom "Iron ["Bloody Metal"]">borrowed by PGerm *īsarną>O.
īren>
<Iron>
>*PIE su-h₁ésh₂-ōr "self-blood-FEM">PGerm *swestēr> O:eng:sweostor>:eng: sister
>
sanguis "blood">
sangre>:esp: sangria "blood like [drink]">borrowed
sangria
Interestingly, Italic also has a representative in the first *h₁ésh₂r̥ category as well.
Old
had assyr, aser, ascer 'blood'.
Bloody well right!
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 05 Jul 2018 18:07
by Lambuzhao
Lambuzhao wrote: ↑05 Jul 2018 18:05
Shemtov wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018 06:43
<iron> <sister> <sangria>
PIE *h₁ésh₂r̥ "Blood">Proto-Celtic *īsarnom "Iron ["Bloody Metal"]">borrowed by PGerm *īsarną>O.
īren>
<Iron>
>*PIE su-h₁ésh₂-ōr "self-blood-FEM">PGerm *swestēr> O:eng:sweostor>:eng: sister
>
sanguis "blood">
sangre>:esp: sangria "blood like [drink]">borrowed
sangria
Interestingly, Italic also has a representative in the first *h₁ésh₂r̥ category as well.
Old
had assyr, aser, ascer 'blood'.
Bloody well right!
Is it by his very blood that mankind is drawn to Mars?
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 05 Jul 2018 23:01
by WeepingElf
There is this chiastic pattern in the two biggest Germanic languages:
Schaum 'foam' ~
scum
Feim 'scum' ~
foam
Though
Feim is now obsolete in Standard German, but the derived adjective
abgefeimt 'cunning' is still in use.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 15 Jul 2018 21:25
by qwed117
Hindi चाबी
caabi /t͡ʃaːbiː/ "key" ~
Spanish
llave /ʎaβe/ "key"
Both are from Latin clavis. Hindi gets it from a Portuguese intermediary.
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 19 Jul 2018 22:02
by k1234567890y
Chinese 車 and English wheel, it is possible that the Chinese word was ultimately a borrowing from a word for wheel from Indo-European languages
Re: Surprising cognates
Posted: 20 Jul 2018 06:36
by Imralu
k1234567890y wrote: ↑19 Jul 2018 22:02
Chinese
車 and English
wheel, it is possible that the Chinese word was ultimately a borrowing from a word for wheel from Indo-European languages
Posts like this would be more interesting if you include the pronunciation.