River Skasti (new grammar)

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DV82LECM
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Re: River Skasti (new grammar)

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eldin raigmore wrote: 09 Apr 2024 17:16
DV82LECM wrote: 08 Apr 2024 19:36 I have been meaning to ask this for a while but wasn't sure if I ever would: has there ever been any attested language that has exhibited a tripartite plural system like I use? I have never seen one.
Look here https://books.google.com/books/about/N ... -pgAFcE0C .
Something similar to your “tripartite” plural system might be attested by one or more of the languages Corbett discusses.

I’m not certain what you mean by “tripartite plural”. I tried to find where you discussed it, but couldn’t find it quickly enough.
If you mean something similar to what Corbett calls “top-second” number systems, then I’m sure he discusses some natural language(s) that have something similar.

….

Interesting conlang!
I just mean tripartite because it appears to indicate "three parts." I am certain there is more to its definition, but I like the word.

Edit: looking up the exact definition, I think I rely on the idea of "sets." The subject is a set, the object is a set, and the both of them are a set.
𖥑𖧨𖣫𖦺𖣦𖢋𖤼𖥃𖣔𖣋𖢅𖡹𖡨𖡶𖡦𖡧𖡚𖠨
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Re: River Skasti (new grammar)

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DV82LECM wrote: 09 Apr 2024 16:13
Knox Adjacent wrote: 09 Apr 2024 01:27 Never seen one either, but great minds think alike?
I wager. Did you derive the same?
You could say that.
https://cbbforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=32 ... ku#p322389
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Re: River Skasti (new grammar)

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I expanded the tense slot.

/s-/: intransitive immediate past ("just did")
/is-/: intransitive hodiernal past ("did yesterday")
/es-/: intransitive simple past ("did")

/ʃ-/: intransitive immediate future ("be about to do")
/iʃ-/: intransitive crastinal future ("will do tomorrow")
/eʃ-/: intransitive simple future ("will do")

/-zi-/: transitive immediate past ("just did to")
/-ze-/: transitive hodiernal past ("did to yesterday")
/-za-/: transitive simple past ("did to")

/-d͡ʒi-/: transitive immediate future ("be about to do to")
/-d͡ʒe-/: transitive crastinal future ("will do to tomorrow")
/-d͡ʒa-/: transitive simple future ("will do to")

•intransitives go between subject plural and person slot.
•transitives go between root and person slot.
•the full syllable form is used with inanimate 4p verbs,
ex. /gle/ "to rain."
•3f.INTRNS.IMM.PST and 3f.INTRNS.IMM.FUT are /s'a-/ and
/ʃ'a-/; other forms follow this pattern, ex. /is'a-/.
•4p.INTRNS.IMM.PST and 4p.INTRNS.IMM.FUT are /skwe-/ and /ʃkwe-/; other forms follow this pattern, ex. /eskwe-/.
•/is- iʃ- es- eʃ-/ with plural /a-/ render /i̯es- i̯eʃ- e̯as- e̯aʃ-/.

Real talk, as an ankyloglot, making nearly all tense entirely dependent upon front vowel space makes me kinda sad. 😫🤣
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Re: River Skasti (new grammar)

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Collective Nouns, /yu-/, and their alignment:
•there are collective nouns, like níene "leaves/foliage".
•these do not take the plural marker /a-/, and are thought of as singular noun, though can take ordinal numbers.

•/ju-/ marks 4p-4p.
•collective nouns plural reference pattern:
SUBJ: base phrase and base phrase + /o=/.
OBJ: base phrase and base phrase + /a=/.

Ày̌emóa itǫ́ àyutħúoyo níenenè yowú.
[ˌa.ge.ˈmo̯a i.ˈtõ ˌa.jut.ˈxu̯o.jo ˈni̯e.ne.ˌne jo.ˈwu]
a-y̌emóa itǫ́ a=yu-tħ>uo<-yo níene-~ yo-wu
PLUR-tree-NOM that SUB.PLUR=4p.4p-possess-CLS leaves-ACC 4p-be.yellow
"Those trees have yellow leaves."
𖥑𖧨𖣫𖦺𖣦𖢋𖤼𖥃𖣔𖣋𖢅𖡹𖡨𖡶𖡦𖡧𖡚𖠨
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