The partner of the benefactive is...?

[Keenir]

The wiki confirmed my belief that the benefactive is what one uses when one gives something...but I couldn't find what the name was for the one recieving that something. (for now, in my notes, I'm just calling it Recipient)

I looked at the Leipzig Rules page, but either I didn't see it, or I didn't recognize it. (or my eyes just slipped right past it)

Thoughts?

Thank you.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefactive_case

[Visions1]

Detrimentive? As in, maybe the English "I voted against him" versus "I voted for him."

[Ahzoh]

^that is commonly called the malefactive

Also the benefactive is the recipient, nouns marked in the benefactive case are the recipients.

There is a case for the donor, the pegative case.

[Creyeditor]

I don't think a benefactive case is the case used for the 'giver', that should be a pegative case, IINM. The case used for a recipient is the dative case.

[Arayaz]

Benefactive = for the benefit of
Malefactive = to the detriment of
Dative = given to
Pegative = giver (but found in, that I can tell, only one language)

[Trailsend]

The most correct answer here is probably going to be "it depends on what all is going on". What other cases are there in your system?

It probably makes the most sense to call this the dative case ("used in some languages to indicate the recipient or beneficiary of an action, as in 'Maria Jacobo potum dedit', Latin for 'Maria gave Jacob a drink'"), in the absence of other factors.

I'd reach for the term "benefactive" if there were other dative-y cases you needed to distinguish this one from. For example, Basque has a "benefactive" case which you couldn't call dative, because Basque already has a dative case, as well as a separate allative case (for something moved "to") and directive case (for something moved "toward").

I don't know the particulars of why these labels were chosen for these cases, but I imagine that Basque's "dative" case is probably used for things you could think of as 'recipients' for various kinds of actions, except when the recipient especially benefits from the action, in which case this other case is used, so folks termed it the "benefactive".

What the best name is for a given part will depend on what the whole system is like, and what other parts you need to differentiate it from.

[Khemehekis]

I've seen some conlangs that use the name "dedative case" for this . . .

https://www.google.com/search?q=conlang ... -serp#ip=1

[Trailsend]

I've seen some conlangs that use the name "dedative case" for this . . .

https://www.google.com/search?q=conlang ... -serp#ip=1

oh god

One of the hits in that search is a write-up I made decades ago for a very early project, at which time I very much had no idea what I was doing, and none of its terminology (or indeed, anything else it says) should be taken seriously XD

Clicking that link was such a trip, thanks for that Khem ^_^

[Visions1]

If you don't mind me asking, which one?

[Arayaz]

Maybe Tharsi? It's giving nooblang to me

[Trailsend]

I'LL NEVER TELL

(it's not Tharsi)

[Khemehekis]

I've seen some conlangs that use the name "dedative case" for this . . .

https://www.google.com/search?q=conlang ... -serp#ip=1

oh god

One of the hits in that search is a write-up I made decades ago for a very early project, at which time I very much had no idea what I was doing, and none of its terminology (or indeed, anything else it says) should be taken seriously XD

Clicking that link was such a trip, thanks for that Khem |_|

You're welcome . . . seriously though, I had NO IDEA one of the links on that Google result page was you, and you were one of the people active in this thread! It's a small world, isn't it?